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Old 01-22-2014, 10:09 PM   #81
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I think, Larry, that any discussions about buttocks should be in the OTDE section....
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:12 PM   #82
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Eric, I second Daddyo's sentiments. I enjoy your perspective but enjoy may others as well. If we all had to be in agreement on a particular boat, there would only need to be be one boat, of one length and one motor out there (probably a Jarvis Newman lol).

Again, please reconsider.

I will have to agree for its purpose, the Jarvis Newman is the near perfect boat.
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:14 PM   #83
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Who the hell was being rude anyway? Since when is calling someone out on some comments they made being rude? I for one enjoy some of this banter.
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Old 01-22-2014, 10:45 PM   #84
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So..there yah go Eric, you are refused permission to leave...you are not dismissed…is that clear..? Besides, think back to childhood - bickering' can fun…just let it wash over you if it's not your thing..
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Old 01-22-2014, 11:46 PM   #85
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C`mon Eric. You are too valuable to lose. Let it slide past.
Someone may not agree with you and may even say so forcefully, but most here, me included, respect your opinions and the genuine effort you put into your contributions.
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I pretty much disagree with all of you; I am the scapegoat. Coo coo ca choo
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:22 AM   #87
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GEEEZZZZ Eric - Ol' forum discussion boat buddy; Ol" Pal! You B too much GOOD for TF to just up and quit cause you B a bit pissed off!

Buck Up Buddy and say F em that you donít get along with. If I bother you let me know. I may not quit bothering you... but I may say Iím sorry youíre upset - lol.

Heck Ė stick around, things can only get better!
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:35 AM   #88
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I haven't read thru this subject thread,...but just wondering if anybody has suggesting adding a swim platform to this vessel
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Let's see if I have this straight ...

Someone says a boat is not seaworthy because of the shape of its hull and appendages.

Someone else points out that there are thousands of very seaworthy vessels with that hull form and provides photos and links to document that fact.

Someone else says that doesn't apply because the size or use is different.

An owner of the boat in question states unequivocally that the boat is indeed "seaworthy" and describes his history with the boat.

Rather than explain why a certain hull shape and its appendages make a boat "unseaworthy" someone claims to have suffered an insult and plays the passive aggressive card by advertising his withdrawal from the field.

Is the purpose of withdrawal an admission that someone doesn't know what someone has been posting about or is it a mechanism to collect sympathy, or a means to passively shift some "blame" on someone else?

Personally, if I couldn't defend my position(s) with facts and wanted to walk away from having to do so, I would just walk away, no need to advertise or claim that decision was made under the duress of "insult."
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Well, I like the back and forth discussions. Everyone learns something and opinions become more refined in a debate. And people like me looking on from the cheap seats with popcorn get to think about things we may have never considered before. Don't stop it...!
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Alberto post #7

They have been making many derivatives to improve her abilities for comfort and planning in order to improve speed in the full displacement hull with some sort of "V" transom hull and swim platform. This is why transom is strange as are attachments to the original design.
They are very reputated for seaworthiness and good finish and you can see many of them in Valencia and Balearic islands in Spain.

Endurance post #8

The performance of the boats was a little strange. As alberto said, the Llaud hull was originally intended as a double-ended full displacement hull, at which I suspect it excelled. In order to gain speed, both Menorquin and Myabca added extensive, structural swim platforms which were really flat section hull extensions (molded in with the Meorquin, and bolted on with massive 'pipes' on the Myabca). With twin engine power, the newly added flat after sections allowed the boats to semi-plane, getting speeds in the high teens.

The one I sea trialed handled short steep waves extremely well, no pounding whatsoever, a very smooth and stable ride

Skidgear post 54

Stern on a 40' planing Calafurnia (Italian) looks similar...

and picture posted

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Many of those "ducktails" were added in order to comply with the latest Safety Of Life At Sea (SOLAS) stability standards. In plain English ... those things contribute to stability and seaworthiness, not as you mistakenly believe, detract from it.

multiple supporting pictures posted.
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Something to consider though is the fact that most boats that we would consider seaworthy (and that would have transoms) will have the transom raked outboard like the flared sides of most boats.
Ever seen a typical Bering Sea fishery boat?

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Normally if there is a "rake" it is a forward rake, equally often is a ramp to permit hauling the cod end.

Those are seaworthy boats working in weather that most here could not conceive of.



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But you're as welcome to your opinion as I am to mine.
Of course, no one said otherwise. Just try and keep some daylight between your opinions and facts, particularly when the facts are so easily determined with a minumum of research or experience.
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Ever seen a typical Bering Sea fishery boat?

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Yup. Island Enterprise and Kodiak Enterprise are often moored in Cowichan Bay.
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I haven't read thru this subject thread,...but just wondering if anybody has suggesting adding a swim platform to this vessel
Actually, it has one. Back in the day disgruntled sailors would hang out on that cantilevered area about halfway up the port side of the stern and smoke pot. A few who got really "out there" took a swim from that very spot, thereby precipitating a man overboard scramble, helicopter launch, and a stay in the brig until discharged. Most of them now reside in Denver. One that I am aware of resides in Davy Jones' locker.
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Speaking of small boat sterns, seaworthiness, and bad weather, these folks probably have some ideas.

Heavy Weather, Hallucinations, Hostility and Harmonica - AORR | YachtPals.com

Then Google, Atlantic Ocean Rowing and select images for a good review of small boats with seaworthy sterns.

Here are a couple with swimsteps, one of which has a picture window overlooking the swimstep ... that one by the way set a record for the crossing.

OK, they aren't little low powered "trawlers" so how about looking up:

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Maybe we should use definitions such as froude number, longitudinal symmetry, block coefficient and D/L instead of terms like "seaworthy" and "full displacement".

That would unbunch some panties.
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Maybe we should use definitions such as froude number, longitudinal symmetry, block coefficient and D/L instead of terms like "seaworthy" and "full displacement".
That's not half as much fun as divining stability and efficiency through online photo interpretation.

Besides, a lawyer will have a definition of seaworthiness that doesn't include a single term of naval architecture.

All of which is why anyone pretending to pass judgement on the seaworthiness of a boat by looking at a photo on a boating forum has his forepeak up his transom.
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Old 01-23-2014, 12:13 PM   #98
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I don't think the issue is one of facts--facts are great and the expertise on this group is one of the reasons I hang out here. The problem is typical internet forum bull**it . . . the snarky, condescending, know-it-all, attack-dog style that a very few posters feel it's safe to use behind the anonimity of a keyboard. Personal insults that would get people punched out in real life are often excused in the name of a "factual discussion." IMHO.
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