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OMG! I have to get more guts when I'm writing a post! Couldn't agree more with the above quote!
You should ask his opinion of the Selene 43
New layout I've not seen before
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You should ask his opinion of the Selene 43
tegdesign
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I've been a yacht designer since 1998 and I love the galley aft layout. It's especially good if you spend a lot of time outside. Many take their coffee and dinner in the cockpit which is perfect. Entertaining is great because people can pop in for a cold drink without traipsing through the boat to midships where galleys are usually located on PH configs. As they say everyone converges on the galley and it's nice to have such great overflow space both forward and aft. Nice boat!
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Somebody is going to love this boat because it is steel big and a lot of boat for the money. Personally I would not ask others what they thought of my boat or one I considered owning that is like jumping into quick sand. If this boat is sound well built appeals to you and the price is right and if it will do what you want it to do go for it. I am certain the posters on this site would find a very long list of reasons why I should not have my boat. that has nothing to do with the fact that I like my boat and it does what I want and fills my specific requirements and perceived needs. If you can find owners of other similar boats from the builder consult with them otherwise disregard all other posts and consider the boat your needs desires and a good surveyors report.
RT Firefly
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Greetings,
Dining in the cockpit would be fine for two but i can't see 4-6 people out there for a meal.
Dining in the cockpit would be fine for two but i can't see 4-6 people out there for a meal.
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I love an aft galley, but this one seems a bit too domestic for me.
As far as the rest of the boat... - It has a lot of random good ideas that I really like, and the quality of build appears great; but it doesn't add up to a package that makes sense.
As far as the rest of the boat... - It has a lot of random good ideas that I really like, and the quality of build appears great; but it doesn't add up to a package that makes sense.
This is a perfect example of 'to each his own' - I love the shippy boat & it's stern galley.
Can someone enlighten me on the pros/cons of a diesel electric? Can this 86hp diesel climb a rough sea?
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I am going to also jump in with Tad.
The interior finish is a bit lean and a bit more like it was a amateur build.. but the hull appears to be pretty nice in quality but the design lacks in design. As far as the aft galley.. motion back there would be bad in a following sea.. what we all HOPE for in a passage.. where as a mid galley heaves less in either sea (head or following). And it greatly reduces the view off the stern.
I like the ability with the twin keels to dry the boat out and the systems look first rate... exactly what I would expect from a builder that does a lot of commercial vessels. Regarding a previous poster I believe the Selene would appears to be a higher quality level of finish if that is what one wants.
As far as the twin engine part it is one of the few true twins (main with wings are NOT twin engine boats) that I actually like the mechanical layout and would consider.
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The interior finish is a bit lean and a bit more like it was a amateur build.. but the hull appears to be pretty nice in quality but the design lacks in design. As far as the aft galley.. motion back there would be bad in a following sea.. what we all HOPE for in a passage.. where as a mid galley heaves less in either sea (head or following). And it greatly reduces the view off the stern.
I like the ability with the twin keels to dry the boat out and the systems look first rate... exactly what I would expect from a builder that does a lot of commercial vessels. Regarding a previous poster I believe the Selene would appears to be a higher quality level of finish if that is what one wants.
As far as the twin engine part it is one of the few true twins (main with wings are NOT twin engine boats) that I actually like the mechanical layout and would consider.
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This post and the comments sort of reminds me of the situation where a guy would be fool enough to get on the net and ask for a critique of his prospective bride. Personally I choose my woman and boats and don't give a dame what others think. Cant imagine choosing a woman or boat by committee.
Well spoken ?
It's great to hear pros and cons on boats though. forum comments on my wife, not so much.
PenBayCruiser
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Nice boat, I like the layout. I agree that the wood work is unimaginative and the little table in the pilothouse could go (and maybe it's removable). I also would not want the gate valves, should be ball valves.
She'd be a hard to transport to my winter storage, 7 miles inland.
She'd be a hard to transport to my winter storage, 7 miles inland.
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I would not feel too badly about the comments. I think that the comments are about what you'd expect from a bunch of intellegent guys analyzing a boat... Especially a boat with a different than "normal" design.
If you think about it, there are not all that many layout level design choices that can be made in a 50' pilothouse boat. The functional areas, IE galley, salon, pilothouse, cabins, heads, and equipment spaces all need to exist. The cubic area to work with is set by generally accepted length to beam, to height paramaters.
The designer gets to choose where to put the major functional areas, and what size they are, but the choices are much more limited than many people realize.
So, this designer chose to put the galley aft. There are good things about that choice, and there are not so good things, as the many thought provoking posts in this thread indicate.
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I certainly did not mean to imply that this boat would not appeal hugely to many folks, I only stated it does not appeal to me. I always learn something from these, "What do you think of ...." threads. Sometimes the features people like are surprising, sometimes the concerns are educational.
That said upon reflection and after being told I shouldn't "attack" other designer's work, I found a couple of positive features on this boat to mention. The first is the real watertight doors dividing up the lower deck. I'm assuming that real doors means real watertight divisions. This boat appears to be divided into 5 compartments. That ensures that should one of those compartments flood, the ship will not sink. Of course this requires the WT door be shut at all times when underway.
Proper deadlights over the lower deck ports are unusual these days, nice to have in that ultimate storm.
And the big lazzeret hatch (properly watertight and dogged down) is something to be encouraged. Though in this case it looks a bit awkward to use and could be a hazard when open.
That said upon reflection and after being told I shouldn't "attack" other designer's work, I found a couple of positive features on this boat to mention. The first is the real watertight doors dividing up the lower deck. I'm assuming that real doors means real watertight divisions. This boat appears to be divided into 5 compartments. That ensures that should one of those compartments flood, the ship will not sink. Of course this requires the WT door be shut at all times when underway.
Proper deadlights over the lower deck ports are unusual these days, nice to have in that ultimate storm.
And the big lazzeret hatch (properly watertight and dogged down) is something to be encouraged. Though in this case it looks a bit awkward to use and could be a hazard when open.
Nice boat, I like the layout. I agree that the wood work is unimaginative and the little table in the pilothouse could go (and maybe it's removable). I also would not want the gate valves, should be ball valves.
She'd be a hard to transport to my winter storage, 7 miles inland.
Hi PBC - That shore line of Sherman Point in your avatar? I know Camden and the area pretty well form late 60's into mid 70's. - Art
PS: Nice looking Penobscot cruiser you have there!
tegdesign
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True to a point. There are a lot of aspects of boats which are subjective and open to opinion (not everything) and those variables are interesting to discuss unless one is feeling a bit sensitive.
That last sentence reminded me of the old report on the Broward Marine Fire. They built a firewall between two buildings. However, in the upper area of the firewall they left windows which opened out over the roof of the second building.
Safety features are only as good as the users are.
Why do you like the kitchen at the rear? I'm just curious as to what people see as the pros and cons of the having the kitchen aft, vs. up front.
psneeld
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Like most vessels...depending on how you use it and in what climes....certain features are desireable over others and if both necessary demand more space or top location.
I like the galley aft in this design but not in all designs.
If entertaining outside it's convenient, if entertaining inside it's convenient. At anchor, hopefully any galley heat/smoke would be carried outside.
I like the galley aft in this design but not in all designs.
If entertaining outside it's convenient, if entertaining inside it's convenient. At anchor, hopefully any galley heat/smoke would be carried outside.
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A lot of sport fishers Have been doing this for years. (Aft galley) Coupled with a day head in the cockpit, this keeps the traffic ("Fishy smell") to a minimum. Some day heads also incorporate showers.) Personally, I really like the aft galleys for several reasons. Pass through windows to the cockpit for entertaining, fishermen use, the cook can observe the swimming, diving, fishing activities, rod storage, less rocking while a meal is being prepared, etc.
Not forward enough in this weird a$$ design - I simply hate it when you can't see the bow from the helm with bare eyes... be there view screen(s) on console or not!
RT Firefly
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Or blue...
GeorgS
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A well done galley-aft-layout can be found on smaller vessels too: Dutch Steel Cruisers.
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Aft galley to starboard works for us. View is through rear door. My previous production boat had a similar arrangement. Walk in the cabin and the sink on your right hand side. then counter space going forward. Before that I had two sail boats that had galley just as you entered the cabin so I have no idea what the aft galley problem is, actually for me a forward galley seems unusual all in the tint of the glasses you use to view it..
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Rustybarge
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You have one of the prettiest boats on the forum......
I've bought a lotto ticket.
Think of it this way: would you have your kitchen in the front hall of your house?
Or at the rear opening out onto the back yard where the kids can run around?
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Almost as nice as my Kadey Krogen ?
While the boat appears well built, there are some interesting design choices.
I'm not really seeing the handholds in the wide-open saloon - unless you're 6' tall and can use that one on the centerline ceiling. And I don't think I appreciate whatever they were trying to achieve with that (under-sized, note the bent stock) anchoring setup.
My problem with the galley location is the lack of visibility. If it's there because it's the place on the boat with least motion, then anyone there is likely to feel uncomfortable with not being able to see out either side. I can kind of accept that on the port side, but the starboard side (with what I first thought was a narrow on-deck head) has cupboards. Sorry, but I see this as an unnecessarily unpleasant space though it does have a hatch - and two large vents (note the huge mushroom on the boat deck).
And then there are the truly odd things - watertight door to the master stateroom? Batteries mounted horizontally for no apparent reason? Fake teak on the swim step but just painted non-skid everywhere else? Deadly looking hinged access from the pilothouse to the flybridge?
One thing I do appreciate (especially in Nova Scotia with their huge tidal range) is the ability to careen the boat.
I'm not really seeing the handholds in the wide-open saloon - unless you're 6' tall and can use that one on the centerline ceiling. And I don't think I appreciate whatever they were trying to achieve with that (under-sized, note the bent stock) anchoring setup.
My problem with the galley location is the lack of visibility. If it's there because it's the place on the boat with least motion, then anyone there is likely to feel uncomfortable with not being able to see out either side. I can kind of accept that on the port side, but the starboard side (with what I first thought was a narrow on-deck head) has cupboards. Sorry, but I see this as an unnecessarily unpleasant space though it does have a hatch - and two large vents (note the huge mushroom on the boat deck).
And then there are the truly odd things - watertight door to the master stateroom? Batteries mounted horizontally for no apparent reason? Fake teak on the swim step but just painted non-skid everywhere else? Deadly looking hinged access from the pilothouse to the flybridge?
One thing I do appreciate (especially in Nova Scotia with their huge tidal range) is the ability to careen the boat.
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I've seen this boat twice and it is very sturdily built and the new paint job is far better than original. The food storage is limited for any long range cruising, since there are two drawers, and the fridge under the counter, and the added freezer in the lazarette.
There is a two burner stove in the kitchen, and a convection microwave. No oven. The "cabinets" on starboard side are not actually cabinets but pass-thru for the cooling ducts to the upper deck. No real usable storage there since they are filled with piping.
The engines are reasonable for this size of boat since any much more power would simply burn more fuel and not contribute much more speed. Not having turbos will lower your cost of operation and maintenance, and they will run longer.
The upper hatch sticks, but can be fixed easily. I would prefer the hatch reversed to the port side rather than have to go around it since it swings to the inside. It has a pneumatic lift but that makes the hatch tend to stick. I would prefer a counterweight instead of the lift, or as well as the lift cylinder. They use the boom to load and unload the tender (designed currently for Boston Whaler SS 130) and have two hydraulic winches to do the lifting, so there is no need for a davit crane.
If you notice the two vertical pipe pockets on the bow, that's where you can mount a small davit to retrieve an anchor (or other stuff) if you need.
The mast can be hydraulically laid back and has a cradle on the stern to hold it, for lower bridges. From what I see, it's under 18' from the waterline to the searchlight.
The lazarette hatch is oriented so it blocks passage on the cockpit, which is annoying. If it had been rotated so the open hatch would parallel the stern, it would have been more convenient.
It would have been nice to have a bit more room in the cockpit and the swim platform, but not at the expense of shortening the cabin space. A day head would be nice.
The ship seems to have been built as tough as a tank without some of the cute stuff some other vendors add. Call it spartan for sure but tough and no exposed teak to weather and require maintenance.
I am 6' 3" tall so there are some head bumping issues for me. With all the safety issues thought of in this boat, it seems like an oversight to not have an engine driven bilge pump, rather than an electric one. A fast flow bilge pump on the engine driveline would better secure survival if you can keep the engines running.
Stu
There is a two burner stove in the kitchen, and a convection microwave. No oven. The "cabinets" on starboard side are not actually cabinets but pass-thru for the cooling ducts to the upper deck. No real usable storage there since they are filled with piping.
The engines are reasonable for this size of boat since any much more power would simply burn more fuel and not contribute much more speed. Not having turbos will lower your cost of operation and maintenance, and they will run longer.
The upper hatch sticks, but can be fixed easily. I would prefer the hatch reversed to the port side rather than have to go around it since it swings to the inside. It has a pneumatic lift but that makes the hatch tend to stick. I would prefer a counterweight instead of the lift, or as well as the lift cylinder. They use the boom to load and unload the tender (designed currently for Boston Whaler SS 130) and have two hydraulic winches to do the lifting, so there is no need for a davit crane.
If you notice the two vertical pipe pockets on the bow, that's where you can mount a small davit to retrieve an anchor (or other stuff) if you need.
The mast can be hydraulically laid back and has a cradle on the stern to hold it, for lower bridges. From what I see, it's under 18' from the waterline to the searchlight.
The lazarette hatch is oriented so it blocks passage on the cockpit, which is annoying. If it had been rotated so the open hatch would parallel the stern, it would have been more convenient.
It would have been nice to have a bit more room in the cockpit and the swim platform, but not at the expense of shortening the cabin space. A day head would be nice.
The ship seems to have been built as tough as a tank without some of the cute stuff some other vendors add. Call it spartan for sure but tough and no exposed teak to weather and require maintenance.
I am 6' 3" tall so there are some head bumping issues for me. With all the safety issues thought of in this boat, it seems like an oversight to not have an engine driven bilge pump, rather than an electric one. A fast flow bilge pump on the engine driveline would better secure survival if you can keep the engines running.
Stu
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