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Old 05-23-2013, 01:34 PM   #61
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Scoobert, There is only so much you can do to save money fixing boats.

Sure, You can patch things up and keep it running--but if it quits when you really need it, you will wish you had done it right.

I think you are a little unhappy with the current system that exists in this country.

If you want to live off the grid--a trawler is not the answer. The bottom line is from the moment you buy one--someone will be looking for money. This will never stop until you no longer own the boat.

Why do you think so many are donated or given away.


The only boat to live off the grid on is a SAILBOAT and keep moving.

Otherwise a cabin in the mountains is a nice way to beat the system.
Than you do not have to worry about hurricanes while you are away from you loved ones doing a trucking job.

The system works if you let it--life itself can be an adventure.

Hope you find peace in whatever you are doing.

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Old 05-23-2013, 02:56 PM   #62
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Sounds to me like you have this all figured out and have all the answers. Hell, I don't see why you can't be doing this by the weekend! Good luck!

I'm out!
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:39 PM   #63
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People live aboard boats for all sorts of reasons. Living aboard because you think it is cheaper is not a valid one! A new baby in the mix is a recipe for DISASTER! If you want to live aboard, do it because you want to experience the lifestyle. Either on the move or in one place. Boats are a depreciating asset. A dirt house may or not be a depreciating asset. One thing is for sure, history has shown real property to increase most of the time.
Boats are fun, adventurous and HORRIBLE investments. Yes I know there are exceptions here and there, but usually they lose. an apartment not in the Northeast is probably the cheapest way to live i your situation. Be careful with adding stress to a new family situation.
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Old 05-23-2013, 03:41 PM   #64
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I'm out!
You really ought to stick around, jukesy! This is getting "funnier" with each post!
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:15 PM   #65
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You old farts are just jealous because your not 30 and know it all. Listen and learn.
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:15 PM   #66
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Hmm no more help. Guess people got tired of getting the assistance questioned and chucked back into their face.
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:17 PM   #67
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Hmm no more help. Guess people got tired of getting the assistance questioned and chucked back into their face.
got my answer early on. made an offer on a 3 stateroom sailboat today. if i can get it then problem solved.
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Old 05-24-2013, 07:41 PM   #68
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Congrats, I think you made the right decision to go with sail.

You can motor her as a true displacement hull for great economy, or motor sail, or use sail alone and travel for free.

Best of luck and enjoy your adventures.

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Old 05-24-2013, 07:43 PM   #69
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yes, i have been told sailboats can get 8NMPG+ so we will see.
the only drawback of this one is draft. she draws 6.4' and i believe they recommend no more then 6' for the great loop. hope thats a recommend, and not a firm no-go. but who knows, i may not get this boat, but this is the first offer so far that has been sorta accepted.
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Old 05-25-2013, 12:06 PM   #70
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and paying $4500-6500 a year in property tax, plus upkeep, plus electric, heat, plus a massive loan.

The places where you can anchor out and get to shore for free (and get mail, dump your garbage and find a pump out are few indeed.

A dock will cost $3.00 to $20. per foot per MONTH depending what you are willing to accept.

A 50 ft boat in CT or NY can easily run $1000, $1500 a month , plus electric.

With no blue water plans a house boat , that can take the ground between tides will help find a low cost unwanted spot.
Electric is not required as propane cooking, reefers hot water, and heat are common RV items.

Good luck in your quest,
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and paying $4500-6500 a year in property tax, plus upkeep, plus electric, heat, plus a massive loan.

The places where you can anchor out and get to shore for free (and get mail, dump your garbage and find a pump out are few indeed.

A dock will cost $3.00 to $20. per foot per MONTH depending what you are willing to accept.

A 50 ft boat in CT or NY can easily run $1000, $1500 a month , plus electric.

With no blue water plans a house boat , that can take the ground between tides will help find a low cost unwanted spot.
Electric is not required as propane cooking, reefers hot water, and heat are common RV items.

Good luck in your quest,

Up here at the north end of the hudson it cost $40 a foot for may-oct for the season.
In okeechoobie fl its 300 a month for a place i know, IF it is deep enough there.

Truth be told we will also pay for a few weeks in the keys too.
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:22 PM   #72
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If it was me, I'd hack 6-8 inches off that keel and hit the ICW. It's not like you'll need all that keel for full sailing in the ditch. You might find the mast to be too high too...bring along a hacksaw or a big water bag to tip the mast over to its side to fit under the bridges.

Best of luck with your sailing dreams.
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:40 PM   #73
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6.5' or even a 6' draft will be very limiting on the ICW. On the OWW a 4' draft can be limiting. I have had to go around through the Keys with a 3'9"draft. While we are talking Keys, anything over a 5' draft would be very limiting. Same goes for many parts of the Bahamas.
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Old 05-26-2013, 01:23 AM   #74
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Scoobert posted some pictures showing a nice tidy business. Maybe his future boat pictures will be as good. He does seem to have a better grasp than GG about what to do and how to do it.

Now about that $20K fixer upper, what did you find so we can comment on it.
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Scoobert posted some pictures showing a nice tidy business. Maybe his future boat pictures will be as good. He does seem to have a better grasp than GG about what to do and how to do it.

Now about that $20K fixer upper, what did you find so we can comment on it.

i made an offer on one, a tayana. i will be looking at it next sunday.
i will be doing some destructive testing to see how bad the deck core is.
i have the full owners permission.
we will then be spending the rest of the day with him on a nice long sail.
if a sail is going to tear, i am hoping it will be sunday next week, and not 3 weeks later.
honestly i didn't think i could get this much boat for what i offered.
its not a sure thing.

thanks for the complement BTW, i try to keep my equipment in nice condition.
that truck was also a fix-er-upper. looks nice now eh? thou i admit, i bought the trailer new
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Good glad you chose a sailboat. There are forums you should check in to. This one is for trawlers.
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This is a Hoot.I was almost late for work reading this.
The Tayana is built like a tank .Good luck with your offer.
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if a sail is going to tear, i am hoping it will be sunday next week, and not 3 weeks later.
honestly i didn't think i could get this much boat for what i offered.
its not a sure thing.
Sailboats' engines are their sails and rigging. Insure you have both checked by a pro or your cost will balloon very quickly. There is much more to it than a sail tearing.
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Hey Blue Heron,
It looks like I might have to replace my heat exchanger as well . Mine looks exactly like yours .I talked with mesa yesterday and he said that he thought mine was aluminum. I think it is cast iron.He said the replacement Bowman from England would be aluminum .Was your original cast iron and was the new one from Mesa aluminum or cast iron?
Sorry to have to go back to this thread ,I remember this guy he was a real know it all, but this is a good pic of the new one. Mine has a small hole that I'm going to try and repair . I'm also going to try a magnet on it to see if aluminum or not.
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