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Old 01-06-2015, 08:01 PM   #1
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New bronze hawse pipes from Hopcar

Just got these 8 bronze beauties in today from Hopcar . Parks you da man . Thanks for your help . They are a perfect match to my old funky aluminum cast hawse pipes . You know I'm a sucka for some bronze .
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Are you sure those are "hawsepipes"?

Don't see any pipe. I thought hawsepipes were a pipe from the fwd deck to the side of the hull below. For the purpose of handling an anchor rode and storing an anchor.

I suspect what you have there are Hawsholes .. not pipes.
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:08 PM   #3
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Are you sure those are "hawsepipes"?

Don't see any pipe. I thought hawsepipes were a pipe from the fwd deck to the side of the hull below. For the purpose of handling an anchor rode and storing an anchor.

I suspect what you have there are Hawsholes .. not pipes.
Ok hawse holes . These are for my dock lines not the anchor chain .
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Greetings.
Mr. mb. WHO YOU CALLING A HAWSEHOLE?

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Will need photos after their installation!
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Old 01-06-2015, 09:25 PM   #6
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Pack Mule,
Are you going to polish them or coat them? The lines moving around the corners will take off most anything .. but that should be only one spot and of course they won't rust. Polish and clear coat could suddenly make your boat really salty and classy. Of course she already is ............
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Probably polish or leave them like they are .
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Thanks for the sale! Glad to see they arrived. I had Buck Algonquin drop ship them to Pack Mule so I never got to see them.
This is what he ordered.
Bronze Hawse Pipes On Buck Algonquin?
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>These are for my dock lines not the anchor chain .<

Low load they should be fine , high load they will need a far more generous radius , or you will need chafe gear for the sharp exit hole.
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I made a pattern out of wood and had them cast in silicone bronze for $6/lb.
I have a local foundry that will cast anything in several metals at a per lb. price.
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Will need photos after their installation!
Probably going to be a couple months before temps get right and I can catch a warm weekend . Here is a dry fit pic that we took yesterday .
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I made a pattern out of wood and had them cast in silicone bronze for $6/lb.
I have a local foundry that will cast anything in several metals at a per lb. price.
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That's a good idea . It's nice to have a foundry close by . Do you just make the piece exactly like you want and then they make a sand pattern box and pour whatever metal you want ? I have some old pattern making shrink rules from when I used to do some machine shop work but have never done any pattern making . I have an old pattern makers vice that's huge . It's an Emmert . A wood vice on one side and a metal working vice on the other .
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Probably going to be a couple months before temps get right and I can catch a warm weekend . Here is a dry fit pic that we took yesterday .

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Greetings,
Mr. PM. Since you are aware of "shrink rules" I would expect IF you want the piece a specific size you would have to take shrinkage into account. For those unfamiliar with the term "shrink rules"... Shrink Rules
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Mr. PM. Since you are aware of "shrink rules" I would expect IF you want the piece a specific size you would have to take shrinkage into account. For those unfamiliar with the term "shrink rules"... Shrink Rules
Since I stared this thread and caused it to creep I'll tell a short story of shrink rules .I was a machinist for about twenty years . I was not a fancy tool and die maker and for sure not a pattern maker just a plain old machinist . Those pattern making guys think upside down and backwards when making a pattern ,kinda like cutting crown mold if any of you have done that .Early on I worked with some old guys that came from pattern making . One day I had to lay out a steel plate for cutting and drilling . Since I was new to layout work one of the old guys lent me his" new ruler " . I didn't know it was a shrink rule and had never heard of them . They got a kick out of watching me lay this metal plate out . Then they offered to check out my layout to keep me from screwing up,of course they used a regular scale . They gave me hard time about my layout and I thought I would never make it as a machinist . They finally told me the joke and everyone got a good laugh . Those old guys were a lot of fun and darn good machinist/pattern makers . Pattern makers are like wood workers using metal working tools . There is a grade of mahogany that is specified as pattern making mahogany .
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Mr. PM. Since you are aware of "shrink rules" I would expect IF you want the piece a specific size you would have to take shrinkage into account. For those unfamiliar with the term "shrink rules"... Shrink Rules
RT's got it right, there is a shrinkage factor that has to be taken into account and you have to consider more loss for dressing but it's a pretty short learning curve and you can cast stuff for a hundred bucks that would cost you a grand in the "marine" store. Google "foundry" in your area, there are a lot of these guys around.
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Great story PM.
I worked in a big job shop and learned much there even though I was the truck driver. When there was no driving to do I did interesting things. We had a job putting flanges on the ends of steel pipe about 30" dia and 30' long. On the night shift they trained me for that. We had a big lathe and faced the flanges. Then I attached wheels to the pipe and a bolt on trailer hitch on one end and delivered them down the road a bit.
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My first machine shop was also working with pipe flanges . We were making pipe line gate valves for off shore rigs but nothing that large .
My last machinist job was making implants , hips and knees . We used the lost wax process for our stainless steel castings .
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Since I stared this thread and caused it to creep I'll tell a short story of shrink rules .I was a machinist for about twenty years . I was not a fancy tool and die maker and for sure not a pattern maker just a plain old machinist . Those pattern making guys think upside down and backwards when making a pattern ,kinda like cutting crown mold if any of you have done that .Early on I worked with some old guys that came from pattern making . One day I had to lay out a steel plate for cutting and drilling . Since I was new to layout work one of the old guys lent me his" new ruler " . I didn't know it was a shrink rule and had never heard of them . They got a kick out of watching me lay this metal plate out . Then they offered to check out my layout to keep me from screwing up,of course they used a regular scale . They gave me hard time about my layout and I thought I would never make it as a machinist . They finally told me the joke and everyone got a good laugh . Those old guys were a lot of fun and darn good machinist/pattern makers . Pattern makers are like wood workers using metal working tools . There is a grade of mahogany that is specified as pattern making mahogany .
Chattanooga has a couple of foundries, but had many more in the past. In my wholesale lumber days I sold much mahogany lumber (mostly Honduras mahogony) to the pattern shops. Mahogany is good pattern wood because it is some of the most dimensionally stable wood. It would be difficult to figure out what the patterns were from just looking. Some consisted of several pieces. There is still a lot of contaminated foundry sand around the old factory sites.
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