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Old 11-21-2017, 09:03 AM   #1
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New America's Cup boats

Hmm. Could make the series interesting again. I never warmed to the multihull boats. Return of tacking duels!

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...le-hulled-boat

https://youtu.be/rx2qG_YMrDs
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:11 AM   #2
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And a tracking duel at 50 mph? Now that will be interesting. Talk about sailing on the edge.
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Old 11-21-2017, 10:38 AM   #3
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Oh, hell yeah! This looks great.
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Old 11-21-2017, 11:13 AM   #4
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It's sad that it comes down to this, multihulls in America's Cup was bad enough .............. just sayn'
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Why have a hull at all. Just build the whole thing out of plastic tubing.
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Why have a hull at all. Just build the whole thing out of plastic tubing.
Just a small hull for a 3 person crew. Rub a dub dub.
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The animation depicted a crew of 12!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=rx2qG_YMrDs
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I believe this is to be a contest of speed. Not a contest of old timey sailing technology. There are other events for that:

2017 Choptank Heritage Skipjack Race
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I believe this is to be a contest of speed. Not a contest of old timey sailing technology. There are other events for that:

2017 Choptank Heritage Skipjack Race
...if you're the type who likes watching paint dry or grass grow.
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Personally I think all quests for sailing "modernization" are great, whether cats or singles. The 12 meter years were boring for even avid sailors once the ability to televise in HD and rich boy's excess fun money became the case. As Lurker pointed out above, there are many old style venues for the average weekend sailor to participate in or watch from shore.

A few years ago we were in NZ and spent a few days at the Volvo Race Series pit stop. Those round the world racers, organization and craft bear little similarity to a 10 year old sloop or a 12 meter for that matter. Lots of sailing stuff is being learned, developed and implemented into the mainstream by these trend setters.
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I stopped watching years ago when actual sailing vanished and was replaced with who has the biggest bucket of money.
Its all a rich mans big wank in my opinion.
Rich men who can't sail themselves so make teams from the worlds best sailors and palm them off as "insert country here"

You want speed, sail multi hulls or skiffs, even if they are 60ft skiffs.
You want close tactics and tacking, sail an etchell or similar.
No more money need be wasted - we have the boats already.

At the end of the day if its about who are the better sailors, class racing is where its at and that can be done in a $5000 etchell - give the other team the same.
Or if you need bigger boats, Volvo 60 mono's or ORMA 60 trimarans - plenty of both available.
Then you will truly see who the better sailors are.

But we already know who the better sailors are, Australians and Kiwis.
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Nice rant. Letís go back to just racing El Toroís. Would that suit you?
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I think the Americaís Cup is pretty cool, regardless of what theyíre racing. Here you have a bunch of rich guys funding some incredible cutting edge boats and gear. There has to be some trickle down to us common folk.
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I stopped watching years ago when actual sailing vanished and was replaced with who has the biggest bucket of money.
Its all a rich mans big wank in my opinion.
Rich men who can't sail themselves so make teams from the worlds best sailors and palm them off as "insert country here"

You want speed, sail multi hulls or skiffs, even if they are 60ft skiffs.
You want close tactics and tacking, sail an etchell or similar.
No more money need be wasted - we have the boats already.

At the end of the day if its about who are the better sailors, class racing is where its at and that can be done in a $5000 etchell - give the other team the same.
Or if you need bigger boats, Volvo 60 mono's or ORMA 60 trimarans - plenty of both available.
Then you will truly see who the better sailors are.

But we already know who the better sailors are, Australians and Kiwis.
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Arguably the America's Cup has always been about rich guys toys and paid crew.

The 12 meters yachts were just a blip which didn't even last 30 years.

The technological step changes happened in 1983, when Australia II took the cup, designed by an Australian.

I'm in favour of the foiling yachts. But I'd be OK with bringing back the J class for a series.

If you want mano a mano, watch the Olympics.
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Arguably the America's Cup has always been about rich guys toys and paid crew.

I'm in favour of the foiling yachts. But I'd be OK with bringing back the J class for a series.
No argument about it; it was always a rich manís game. But hear-hear on bringing back the J-boats!
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No argument about it; it was always a rich man’s game. But hear-hear on bringing back the J-boats!
Yes indeed.

And they are coming back (although not to America's Cup racing):

A pocket guide to the J Class yachts ‚€“ the world's most elegant racing fleet

Had the pleasure of seeing Endeavour up close in Maine a couple of years in a row when her rescuer/restorer, Elizabeth Meyer, brought her to the Eggemoggin Reach Regatta and also had her anchored at her family's island in Penobscot Bay. What a gorgeous yacht. Why I did a half model of her.
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Nice rant. Letís go back to just racing El Toroís. Would that suit you?
Nah, I did say Volvo 60 and orma 60, both 30 knot capable vessels and would make exhilerating match racing based on actual skills vs budget.
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Mixed feelings. The old duels of the 80"s were fun to watch, but so are the rocket ships.

One of Dennis Conor's old Stars and Stripes Mono takes tourists for rides in SD bay. Nice to see her out there and not in moth balls.
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Nah, I did say Volvo 60 and orma 60, both 30 knot capable vessels and would make exhilerating match racing based on actual skills vs budget.
You did indeed.

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Would I go?

And then there's this:

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