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Old 08-02-2013, 12:55 PM   #61
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Just for general knowledge...

Sometimes you can find other impellers that fit your pump as some pump manufacturers use the same impeller as others...often it's just the drive type, diameter and width you need.

Also...on many pumps you can use the back side of the cover (reverse it) to lengthen it's service life
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Old 08-02-2013, 04:11 PM   #62
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Also...on many pumps you can use the back side of the cover (reverse it) to lengthen it's service life
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Just for general knowledge...
Also...on many pumps you can use the back side of the cover (reverse it) to lengthen it's service life
Same goes for the inside wear plate if your pump is so equipped. I had a problem after replacing the impellers and called Jabsco. They informed me about the presence of the wear plate which I didn't realize was there. They mentioned the idea of flipping it and the back cover over to extend its life and sent me two free replacement wear plates.

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Old 08-13-2013, 09:42 PM   #64
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The adventure continues. For those following this thread, sorry it has taken so long for me to write. I had planned on writing daily but was having so much fun and extremely tired at the end of a day that I did not write. In a nut shell the Saturday morning that we planned on heading North I decided to keep the boat at Key Largo for the Winter. We spent the next 5 days cruising the Keys. Upon returning to Key Largo we had the boat hauled and made arrangement to have the bottom and running gear painted. The plan is for me to return in about five weeks to check the work being done and install a new refrigerator. Also need to make some plans for getting the heads working. The pumps probably simply need seals or packing from sitting idle so long. Still there is a bigger problem that requires some planning. Both heads have electro-sans sanitation treatment devices. These are not legal in the Keys. My plan is to replace the older Electro-Sans with a holding tank and maybe y valve with dump. This would allow me to lock the y valve in one head and disable the electro-sans when not legal. When legal I can use the holding tank and electro-sans. I would certainly entertain any suggestions regarding size of holding tank as well as mounting position. The head that I would put the holding tank is the forward one in the galley area. I also need to look at the westerbeke generator. The generator started to do funny things toward the end of our cruising. It acted as if it were overloading. It should not have with the small load on it at the time. I believe the problem is minor. After talking to a westerbeke rep I got the impression that the generator will act as if overloaded it the fuel supply is lessened. I allowed the system to shut down. Found the battery needed to be jumped to start the engine . The rep implied that a low battery could reduce fuel flow. Also upon start up the Ac and DC gages showed negative output. I am told there is a breaker on the rear of the generator that could have tripped when I let the thing shut down. The generator has about 150 hours on it. As I said I believe nothing serious. Also replaced a 4D battery when in Marathon. Also some other minor stuff to look into. In any case we had fun, loved the Keys and plan on returning for a trip to Key West and then another to the Bahamas. In April we will start the trek up the ICW landing in Mass about 5 weeks later.
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Well keep an eye out for you as we should be arriving in FL around Thanksgiving and heading to the Bahamas about the same time as you due to the FL 90 day rule then heading north in March.

When heading to Key West check out Stock Island great rates and facilities and still close enough to the craziness in downtown without being caught up in it and the expensive marinas
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Well keep an eye out for you as we should be arriving in FL around Thanksgiving and heading to the Bahamas about the same time as you due to the FL 90 day rule then heading north in March.

When heading to Key West check out Stock Island great rates and facilities and still close enough to the craziness in downtown without being caught up in it and the expensive marinas
Gerald, what is the Florida 90 day rule?
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90 days in state for out of state registered boats get whacked with a "use" tax for being in Fl.

I would imagine it's like NJ in that it's almost impossible to enforce unless you sit in one place or frequent one place for that time. I don't know how they would catch a cruiser.
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90 days in state for out of state registered boats get whacked with a "use" tax for being in Fl.

I would imagine it's like NJ in that it's almost impossible to enforce unless you sit in one place or frequent one place for that time. I don't know how they would catch a cruiser.
In the "old days" you would be safe in that thought, not as much in today's economy.

The state government is much more aggressive in going after any and all forms of revenue. The state will catch many more "evaders" these days and even provide a bonus system for "revenuers" to catch Fl. tax dodgers.

The state is aware of the excuses and have heard them all, remember it is up to you to prove compliance not the other way around (think tax audit)

You can and will be audited and if you have remained in the state for 30 days after buying a boat in the state will be required to pay state sales tax (popping over to Bimini for a weekend no longer counts). They will check your marina lease, insurance and see if you paid for hurricane coverage etc.) My attorney was very clear on this.

Use tax and surtax will become due when you title and/or register the boat in Florida. Florida titling and/or registration must occur:
• Within 30 days after purchase.
• Within 90 days after the boat enters Florida, if the boat is documented, titled, and/or registered in another state.


If the boat is 5 net tons of measurement or larger, the purchaser may obtain a set of
Florida Department of Revenue boat decals, which authorize the boat to remain in Florida
waters up to 90 days after the purchase. This period may be extended to 180 days with the
purchase of a 90-day extension decal. The decals must be obtained from the selling dealer
or broker.


http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/forms/2011/gt800005.pdf


This is becoming a gold mine for cash strapped states and is a lot easier to enforce then you think. In today's world of security cameras (at every drawbridge, lock and most marinas) not to mention the ease of tracking purchases electronically, flying below the radar is not so easy.

PS, I spoke with a state tax collector and they informed me that they get many tips on non-compliance when they bust/collect from someone in a marina who then "informs" them about the "other guys around them that have been doing it for years". True story.
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In the "old days" you would be safe in that thought, not as much in today's economy.

The state government is much more aggressive in going after any and all forms of revenue. The state will catch many more "evaders" these days and even provide a bonus system for "revenuers" to catch Fl. tax dodgers.

The state is aware of the excuses and have heard them all, remember it is up to you to prove compliance not the other way around (think tax audit)

You can and will be audited and if you have remained in the state for 30 days after buying a boat in the state will be required to pay state sales tax (popping over to Bimini for a weekend no longer counts). They will check your marina lease, insurance and see if you paid for hurricane coverage etc.) My attorney was very clear on this.

Use tax and surtax will become due when you title and/or register the boat in Florida. Florida titling and/or registration must occur:
• Within 30 days after purchase.
• Within 90 days after the boat enters Florida, if the boat is documented, titled, and/or registered in another state.


If the boat is 5 net tons of measurement or larger, the purchaser may obtain a set of
Florida Department of Revenue boat decals, which authorize the boat to remain in Florida
waters up to 90 days after the purchase. This period may be extended to 180 days with the
purchase of a 90-day extension decal. The decals must be obtained from the selling dealer
or broker.


http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/forms/2011/gt800005.pdf
Can't comment on the actual law because I don't care. I'm not in Florida or expect to be there for more than 90 days till a few more years down the road.

My comments are also not about the "law" but the enforcement of the law which I am pretty familiar with. How does the state "catch" offenders? I used to fly the NJ Taxation people around to look at boats and marinas and "pirate" marinas.

Got pretty chatty with them and it was obvious that they only targeted some boats or tripped over a few. They actually only "enforced" the law a couple times a year as it was "snapshots" of what was there one month to the next is how they knew.

Other than that...how does LE even know you are still in a state? Credit Card receipts? Bridge tender logs? Videos? Sure it can be done...but I would be surprised if the amount of paperwork and effort to catch a bunch of "moving" cruisers will offset the several hundred dollar registration fee. Targeting megayachts and "squatters" is a different story....big money and low hanging fruit is usually the targets for such operations....as would be Fla residents just trying to sidestep sales tax versus just the visitor 90 day rule which is I think what the question was about. (but maybe not)
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I can't answer your question as to how likely it is you would be caught skirting the law, I will say more likely now then ever in the past.

Florida as you know is a no income tax state by state constitution (needing a majority vote by the people to change, so not going to happen) and is tight on cash to run the government, like most states. Florida is much more aggressive now in going after any and all forms of income and 6% to the state and up to 1.5 % to the county of the total sales price (capped at $18k) is a fairly good incentive considering the number of sales and near full time cruisers we have here.

Think of the number of snow birds that spend 6+ months here at the same marina (to comply with the law they must leave the state every 90 days and have proof they did more then run off shore to empty their holding tank)

States are hungry for $$ so how safe are you from enforcement? I have no idea but the interest and fines for getting caught by the "man" are painful and it's happening more now then ever.

BTW it's more then just a registration fee, it is a sales tax for 6% plus the county tax (up to 1.5%) of the value of your boat less what you have paid in sales tax to another state (and can prove).

If you bought your boat in another and paid 6+% in sales tax and can prove it then it is only a Fl. registration fee of a few hundred bucks.

* "Example: If you purchase a boat in a state that has a sales tax rate of 4 percent, you will have to pay an additional 2 percent when you bring the boat into Florida. However, the maximum tax of $18,000 will apply.
Under most conditions, use tax and surtax are due on boats brought into Florida within 6 months from the date of purchase. However, use tax may be due upon importation into Florida, under either of the following conditions:
• The boat belongs to a Florida resident; or
• The boat belongs to a corporation for the use of a corporate officer or director who is a Florida resident or who owns, controls, or manages a dwelling in Florida.
Use tax and surtax will become due when you title and/or register the boat in Florida. Florida titling and/or registration must occur:
• Within 30 days after purchase.
• Within 90 days after the boat enters Florida, if the boat is documented, titled, and/or registered in another state.
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* http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/forms/2011/gt800005.pdf
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I found out last year (when trying to figure a way out of paying my sales tax on my boat purchase ....ouch) that the Coast Guard now sends copy's of the documentation to the states tax offices when they issue new/changes to the boats documentation. This is to simplify the enforcement of recovering taxes due to the state and is a relatively new occurrence.
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I found out last year (when trying to figure a way out of paying my sales tax on my boat purchase ....ouch) that the Coast Guard now sends copy's of the documentation to the states tax offices when they issue new/changes to the boats documentation. This is to simplify the enforcement of recovering taxes due to the state and is a relatively new occurrence.
Didn't happen last year in NJ .... the USCG changed (corrected) my documentation number and NJ would not contact nor was contacted by the USCG. I couldn't register my boat in NJ unless I paid for a new USCG document to mail them. So they lost a year's registration fees.

Maybe it's not in all states or just hadn't reached NJ yet (as of last July).
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If you are not a Florida resident this applies. I have registered 2 boats in Florida under this regulation. No use tax was due---only the annual registration. Moonstruck is registered in Florida.

Use tax and surtax are not due on boats brought to Florida if you meet all of the following conditions:
You own the boat 6 months or longer, and
You have shown no intent to use the boat in Florida at or before the time of purchase, and
The boat has been in use 6 months or longer within the taxing jurisdiction of another state, U.S.
territory, or the District of Columbia. Time spent in foreign waters does not count as part of the
6-month period.
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Moonstruck is exactly right with the use tax. The second part to the taxing question is Exemptions from Registration which is decribed below.

Vessels exempt from registration include: non-motor powered vessel less than 16 feet in length, and any non- powered canoe, kayak, racing shell, or rowing scull, regardless of length; vessels used exclusively on private lakes and ponds; vessels owned by the United States Government; vessels used exclusively as a ship’s lifeboat; and vessels covered by numbers in full force and effect which have been awarded pursuant to federal law or a federally approved numbering system provided that such vessels are not operated in state waters in excess of 90 consecutive days.

The key words for most snowbirds or loopers is 90 consecutive days for a documented vessel.
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Don, that is correct. The state will go after the folks who buy a boat here and then keep it here while documenting it somewhere else (what I wanted to do) or documenting it here so they can put a Florida city on the stern but not paying the tax and hoping to keep the state from looking too close.

From the state of Florida provided PDF

"Inspections and Compliance
Tax compliance is an important part of boat ownership because it helps pay for services that benefit all boaters in Florida. We conduct tax compliance inspections at marinas, repair facilities, and other docking sites on a regular basis. We also use many other sources of information to determine compliance."
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"Even if the boat is not initially taxable in Florida, however, the vessel will again become taxable at a rate of 6% of fair market value if the boat remains in Florida for 90 consecutive days or 183 days within a calendar year. "

"The Change
The big change in Florida tax is that they have imposed a cap on the total amount that can be due on a vessel. The capped number is $18,000. Since Florida taxes at a 6% rate, this means that the change can potentially impact any boat that has a value of greater than $300,000. The change, therefore, will not have too great an effect on the average family cruiser, but it will have a dramatic effect on boats that are $500,000 and up. The has already been passed by the legislature and signed into law by the Governor. This takes effect on July 1, 2010, and covers all sales that occur on or after that date.

The Duck and the Dodge

Prior to this enactment, boat owners that wanted to enjoy Florida waters, but did not want to pay Florida’s tax had several legal ways to avoid payment (many probably avoided illegally as well). First, so long as they were not Florida residents, they could bring the boat to another state for part of the year and bring it back to Florida for the cold months. This worked great for snowbirds, sportfishers and others who tended to migrate with the season......."



Florida Boat Tax – Major July 1, 2010 Change



I am amazed at the folks that are blissfully unaware of this stuff (wait, oh crap, I was as well )

At my marina there are at least 14 boats that have been there (without moving) for more then 6 months, that are not in compliance with this law.

The dock master said we are due for a state dock walker as the last one was in Dec.
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Although I am California not Florida, was told by harbor master the county sends out dock walkers annually.
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I would much rather have Florida's
6% tax rules than CA's where it's heavy on the sales tax 9% in Alameda plus more than 1% personal property tax EVERY year.
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Although I am California not Florida, was told by harbor master the county sends out dock walkers annually.
That's because the counties want their property taxes on our boats. For Bay Area counties, the tax rate is about 1.1 to 1.5%, county dependent.
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For Bay Area counties, the tax rate is about 1.1 to 1.5%, county dependent.
It'll be interesting to see what my bill comes in at.
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