Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-06-2019, 10:47 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
Need your advice !

You know we change our boat now we have something more "trawler" but if we keep her may be we will change something


- First actual silhouette

- second just hull lengthened to the end of the actual platform, arch shortened and the fins reduced to the level of the propellers


-third lleeengthened and I let my wife cut ALL on the fly


Witch solution you prefer ?
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	nothing change.PNG
Views:	141
Size:	158.6 KB
ID:	88251   Click image for larger version

Name:	just.PNG
Views:	163
Size:	168.7 KB
ID:	88252   Click image for larger version

Name:	cut.PNG
Views:	149
Size:	167.0 KB
ID:	88253  
__________________
Advertisement

long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 12:51 PM   #2
Guru
 
Russell Clifton's Avatar
 
City: Anacortes Wa.
Country: usa
Vessel Name: Sea Fever
Vessel Model: Defever 49 RPH
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 527
Number 3 is my choice
__________________

Russell Clifton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 01:08 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
Jesus !! The same than my wife and witch one with the maximum job to do

Positive point lremove hundreds kilograms in the "wrong" place
long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 04:43 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Mikala's Avatar
 
City: New Smyrna Beach, FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Mikala
Vessel Model: DeFever 48
Join Date: Jan 2019
Posts: 115
Number 2!
Mikala is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 04:54 PM   #5
Guru
 
dhays's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 7,708
I can see getting rid of the fly-bridge, but I'd keep the dinghy crane up top.
__________________
Regards,

Dave
SPOT page
dhays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 04:58 PM   #6
Guru
 
Nomad Willy's Avatar
 
City: Concrete Washington State
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 15,699
Number three.

After you pay for the extension everything else seems to be more or less free.
But in the design one must IMO consider the extra flotation aft. If she was a bow down boat the extension would make her hard to steer perhaps. #1 has a hook in the bottom aft. Not something I'd want on a boat this size or SL ratio hull. So I'd say #2. But if she was heavy aft back to #3. But that's not likely. But w the CG far enough aft .. #3 definitely. W/o that .. #2.
__________________
Eric

North Western Washington State USA
Nomad Willy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 05:23 PM   #7
TF Site Team
 
Insequent's Avatar
 
City: Brisbane
Country: Australia
Vessel Name: Insequent
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander 50 Mk I
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 2,250
I see the choice as related to the climate that you will spend most time in. The folks in higher latitudes are saying #3, because you would seldom use an open fly there. I can relate to that from cruising in PNW/BC a number of years ago.

But now, in a sub-tropical home and cruising into tropical waters there is no question that #2 is preferred. Wind chill, even in such areas, can still be a factor but you can use the area a lot. I her no engine noise at all when up on the fly, and the quietness is amazing. More importantly, when in coral reef areas the extra visibility from up on the fly is very comforting.
__________________
Brian
Insequent is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 05:36 PM   #8
Guru
 
dhays's Avatar
 
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 7,708
Quote:
Originally Posted by Insequent View Post
I see the choice as related to the climate that you will spend most time in. The folks in higher latitudes are saying #3, because you would seldom use an open fly there. I can relate to that from cruising in PNW/BC a number of years ago.

But now, in a sub-tropical home and cruising into tropical waters there is no question that #2 is preferred. Wind chill, even in such areas, can still be a factor but you can use the area a lot. I her no engine noise at all when up on the fly, and the quietness is amazing. More importantly, when in coral reef areas the extra visibility from up on the fly is very comforting.

Excellent point. I use my flybridge maybe a half dozen times a year. Likely that would be different if I wasn't in Washington State.
__________________
Regards,

Dave
SPOT page
dhays is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 10:10 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
bogranjac1's Avatar
 
City: =
Country: western australia
Vessel Name: Nimiane
Vessel Model: Finn 8
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 224
h,
i bonjour ca va ?
number three
__________________
Sea the swells out on the ocean
All a-movin' in a rhythm, If I didn't have to be here
I would surely be-ee there with them
song-'bali waters' from film-'morning of the earth'
bogranjac1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2019, 11:18 PM   #10
Guru
 
HopCar's Avatar
 
City: Miami Florida
Vessel Name: Possum
Vessel Model: Ellis 28
Join Date: Aug 2011
Posts: 4,266
Number two. I live on the flying bridge. I should never had a lower station installed on my boat. Note I live at latitude 25. We can actually go outside without freezing to death.
__________________
Parks Masterson
HopCar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 02:09 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
The extend of the N 3 could be used to extra diesel tanks and in this case tank at mid level the boat will stay in their lines.
And in the same time We are thinking to pass one of our anchor chain from 14mm to 12 mm but in grade 70 : save around 150 kgs in the bow.
thanks all for your advice
long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 02:19 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
It means remove that :
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	3082553_0_131220101956_3.jpg
Views:	53
Size:	35.4 KB
ID:	88281  
long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 05:48 AM   #13
TF Site Team
 
Bacchus's Avatar
 
City: Seneca Lake NY
Country: US
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 2,665
I'm not a bridge fan but understand it's a very location and owner preference.
I saw a Marlow on one of our cruises that had a bridge hardtop that hinged down and was more or less a cover for the bridge at the lowered position. Had low air draft and nice looking lines. I'm wondering if something similar could be done here instead of a complete removal. I would think it would ADD versatility and future value instead of detracting from it, at least for some?
I never saw it going up and don't know if it was electric or hydraulic. Radar, etc were on the aft of the top and also hinged for lower air draft.
Maybe try a #4 design w bridge "capped" to see if DW approves.
__________________
Don
2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
Bacchus is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 07:12 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
Hinged arch is not to complicate to do, it was only screwed, and we remove it by our self, (with help of chain hoist !)
Put it back in line weld plate...and lift again will not be difficult but put a total rigid cover even if we could lowered it with , for example hydraulic, forget my boss ...oups my wife don't agree :-)
long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2019, 08:04 AM   #15
Guru
 
City: gulf coast
Country: pinellas
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 2,716
Number three looks nice but extra lift aft may put the rudders less deep in following seas.

It all depends on how and where you use the boat.

The most important rule in design is that form follow function.
bayview is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2019, 04:57 AM   #16
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
Now you know

I still be crazy (who said "it is worst now !?)
I put below some "evolution" we could done if we keep this trawler.
Because actually she is far above the perfect consumption of our ex LC62,
and may be if lengthened m aft (not expensive we will doing that by ourself ), lengthened the bow with a bulb (more expensive if we want nice profile need professionals), save some kgs every where for a total of 1000kgs, put a small mast like we had on LC62 (in 15kts wind just with big jib we reached 3.5 kts wind by the side), may be we will recover on this trawler some advantages of our former LC62...or not
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	pacific-72-21 (2).jpg
Views:	45
Size:	94.9 KB
ID:	88398  
long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2019, 07:11 AM   #17
Veteran Member
 
Vadim's Avatar
 
City: Rockville, MD.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Libra
Vessel Model: Island Gypsy 36 Trawler
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 61
#3
Vadim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2019, 08:05 AM   #18
Guru
 
Steve's Avatar
 
City: Thibodaux, Louisiana
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Gumbo
Vessel Model: 2003 Monk 36
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,853
My vote is for number 2 or leave as is now.
__________________
Steve W.
http://mvgumbo.blogspot.com/
Steve is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2019, 10:03 AM   #19
Enigma
 
RT Firefly's Avatar
 
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 12,431
Bonjour.
M. l-c. It hasn't been said yet but why alter what you have? Why not move to what you REALLY would like?
__________________
RTF
RT Firefly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-09-2019, 10:57 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
long-cours.62's Avatar
 
City: Szczecin
Country: France
Vessel Name: Waffa
Vessel Model: Trawler 72
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 197
It is the main problem

Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly View Post
Bonjour.
M. l-c. It hasn't been said yet but why alter what you have? Why not move to what you REALLY would like?

We had what we really like !!

But my old mother said, during month, she want come with us on boat... but what we really like is the LC62, as you can see here (Trawler long-cours - Génèse, construction et navigation(s) d'un trawler ou passagemaker de 19 m en aluminium.)
more simple rustic boat not comfortable enough for old people...
We sold her and bought this trawler more comfortable, more volume, nice cabins etc
And my mother after 3 hours on board she want come back home ....and in the afternoon she lost brain...
We have three possibility :
- sold this one and ...built a new LC62 but my wife said we are already too old for built a boat again
- sold this one and find a second hand like our former LC62 ..but the buyer of our LC62 already try during ...3 years and don't find !
- keep this one and try to change her ...until we win at the lotery we have not another choice :-)
__________________

long-cours.62 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:17 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012