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Old 08-19-2019, 05:20 PM   #1
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Missing Firefighters Update

The tackle box of one of the two firefighters missing off the Florida Coast since Friday was found 50 miles off St Augustine. A sister of one of them believes they are leaving bread crumbs for the searchers.

Hope this all ends well. The weather has been very calm this past week around here - though as we all know nasty storms can kick up suddenly from out of nowhere.
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Old 08-19-2019, 05:47 PM   #2
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If the have been in the Gulf Stream for even just several days, the search area becomes enormous. Without an EPIB or PLB which I am guessing has not been activated, their chances diminish every minute



At this point only will, water and flotation are the main survival highpoints.....right after EPIRB/PLB.
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Old 08-19-2019, 06:19 PM   #3
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If the have been in the Gulf Stream for even just several days, the search area becomes enormous. Without an EPIB or PLB which I am guessing has not been activated, their chances diminish every minute



At this point only will, water and flotation are the main survival highpoints.....right after EPIRB/PLB.
An auto-release EPIRB would be best along with an auto-release life raft.
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An auto-release EPIRB would be best along with an auto-release life raft.

not necessarily...some boats don't have good locations for the auto release and they can get fouled....yes one can manually release them and take them...but in a panic situation....not always thought of. sometimes the boat rolls and the auto releases aren't deep enough to release...then you are forced to swim under in less than perfect situations.



One has to have a well drilled in their mind plan of several abandon ship scenarios and the grabbing of survival gear is tantamount along with flotation.
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These two were/are on a positive flotation boat. It wont sink enough to even release an auto epirb.
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These two were/are on a positive flotation boat. It wont sink enough to even release an auto epirb.
I saw 24 foot Robalo in one article.



Any year of boat reported? I have seen plenty of boats that were supposedly positive floatation equipped sink to where the tip of the bow was all that was above the water.
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That is why whenever we are underway we are wearing auto inflatable PFDs. We also have a strobe and a PLB attached to the PFD. I just wish that the manufacturers of the inflatable PFDs would make attachment points for at least the PLB. I had to sew some velcro mounts onto ours and figure out how to get it through the sewing machine without sewing into the bladder.
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Ha Ha...manufacturer's brochure....sorry couldn't resist....



bet they all say that.... but I still have salvaged many a "full flotation" boat that was mostly sunk.


Probably for all kinds of reasons...but older boats say a 20 year old Robalo (or others) might have serious water absorption in the foam flotation or owners have removed some/damaged some.


some float well (Boston Whaler still leads the pack in my experience)...but many don't...especially yhe ones that aren't required by regs to....but the manufacturer claims they do.
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Yeah; for sure old foam can take on water. I had a 22í whaler on my davits draining foam for a year. Neighbor had a 20 something Robalo sitting low in the water too.
But a rolled boat in a thunderstorm may outrun the now swimming occupants in a windy thunderstorm. Thats the working theory on the two Jupiter teen boys on the seacraft some years ago. Their boat found in europe still floating. Boys never recovered.
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One has to have a well drilled in their mind plan of several abandon ship scenarios and the grabbing of survival gear is tantamount along with flotation.
My late skipper used to delight in telling others that I was the only person he ever knew who was disappointed not to have been shipwrecked. He was referring to my relentless research & planning for just such an event. No, it didn't happen, but close late one night off the coast of Nicaragua when a freighter deliberately tried to run us down--twice. When I sent our distress call to the Coast Guard I was grateful I'd had the foresight to print & laminate it in advance & leave it by the shortwave radio. No thinking of what to say at all; all I had to do was read the script & add our coordinates. Fortunately we didn't have to take to the liferaft, but we were ready, & so was our abandon ship bag. However, I think the mental prep was what made it all go smoothly in spite of an uncomfortable emergency event.
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.... along with an auto-release life raft.
on a 24 foot boat ???
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:58 AM   #14
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Yeah; for sure old foam can take on water. I had a 22í whaler on my davits draining foam for a year. Neighbor had a 20 something Robalo sitting low in the water too.
But a rolled boat in a thunderstorm may outrun the now swimming occupants in a windy thunderstorm. Thats the working theory on the two Jupiter teen boys on the seacraft some years ago. Their boat found in europe still floating. Boys never recovered.
Lots of possibilities...they could have hung on to the hull for days and could have died of many reasons. Remember the football layers on the west coast. Didn't one swim away from the boat for unknown reasons?


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I have been following this in the boating section of The Hull Truth.
It is not uncommon for me to take my 24" boat offshore. I will invest in an EPIRB before going offshore again.
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A PLB is great almost anywhere you are on the water.


Cell phones are great but....a dead spot could kill you... Same with radios.
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I have been following this in the boating section of The Hull Truth.
It is not uncommon for me to take my 24" boat offshore. I will invest in an EPIRB before going offshore again.
We didnít before, but since 2010, everytime we go offshore we take our EPIRB, our Spot, and our Iridium Satphone. You canít have too many ways to call for help.
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We didnít before, but since 2010, everytime we go offshore we take our EPIRB, our Spot, and our Iridium Satphone. You canít have too many ways to call for help.
Correct!!!!!!


And call early and often if your safety is in doubt.


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On a recommendation from a post on the Trawler Forum I read Suddenly Overboard. It is a fun, quick, easy, entertaining read, informative too. I'll read it again.

https://www.amazon.com/Suddenly-Over.../dp/0071803319

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They are ending the active search at sundown today.

https://www.news4jax.com/news/florid...-sundown-today
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