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Old 12-02-2014, 02:41 PM   #81
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Difference between a Motel 6 and a Trawler...the type of crabs you encounter are completely different.


Maps and charts...I guess that would be a good idea. Braille driving can be fun in rental cars why not boats???
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Old 12-02-2014, 02:55 PM   #82
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Hey - Wait a Minute! No Dancing Pole in Salon Center... for Wife... or even the occasional Mermaid?

Please! Get With IT!! - Cheers, Art
Actually, there is a "Dancing Pole" in the saloon (the compression post for the mainmast). No wife... so it'll have to be for the occasional mermaid.
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Old 12-02-2014, 03:51 PM   #83
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Actually, there is a "Dancing Pole" in the saloon (the compression post for the mainmast). No wife... so it'll have to be for the occasional mermaid.
I know, I know... being that cha shingle, and all that...

Name her: "Apply Within! - XOXO"

That's if you'd like plenty of Mermaids to tryout DD's compression post!

You find a keeper - then, rename her "Position Filled!"

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difference between a motel 6 and a trawler...the type of crabs you encounter are completely different.

lol!
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Old 12-02-2014, 04:42 PM   #85
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Dimmer,
If you need a microwave and a TV on your boat to be "comfortable" you're not a minimalist. And probably a bit addicted to modern conveniences. If you can smoke all day and not tomorrow you're not addicted to cigarettes. Of course one may be addicted to what's on the TV (like football).

And I'm not trying to make anything good or bad. Neither a minimalist or a maximalist is good or bad beyond how it fits your needs and tastes.

In my home life and as a young man I/we never did have TV and last week we almost decided to drop our home TV (DirectTV) because TV is so bad and it's $75 a month. And they turn the volume up in adds.

But this thread is like a rich guy living under a bridge part time. There's only about 6 of us here that are minimalists. But from some point of view a minimalist may be a yachtsman w/o a helicopter on his boat.
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DD492. What? No espresso coffee machine? You added it later?
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Plus sonar and chart plotters don't really impress me too much. I don't mind a simple gps and paper charts and they lend to the "romanticism" of sailing the seas, shooting the sun, marking dead-reckoned fixes, etc.

Nothing romantic about trying to find an inlet in fog while you are bent over the paper chart plotting your simple GPS fix.


IMO A depth sounder is the third most important nav tool after compass and charts.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:11 PM   #88
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Dimmer,
If you need a microwave and a TV on your boat to be "comfortable" you're not a minimalist. And probably a bit addicted to modern conveniences. If you can smoke all day and not tomorrow you're not addicted to cigarettes. Of course one may be addicted to what's on the TV (like football).

And I'm not trying to make anything good or bad. Neither a minimalist or a maximalist is good or bad beyond how it fits your needs and tastes.

In my home life and as a young man I/we never did have TV and last week we almost decided to drop our home TV (DirectTV) because TV is so bad and it's $75 a month. And they turn the volume up in adds.

But this thread is like a rich guy living under a bridge part time. There's only about 6 of us here that are minimalists. But from some point of view a minimalist may be a yachtsman w/o a helicopter on his boat.
Yo, Eric - Any person/family having a boat used for pleasure (what ever type, size, equipment) and a dirt house (however/wherever) to live in... cannot truly be considered die-hard, cut-in-stone, dyed-in-the-wool minimalists.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:24 PM   #89
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Yo, Eric - Any person/family having a boat used for pleasure (what ever type, size, equipment) and a dirt house (however/wherever) to live in... cannot truly be considered die-hard, cut-in-stone, dyed-in-the-wool minimalists.
Thank you for reason...wanna be chairman of the TFMC (Trawler Forum Minamalist Club)?

Needs some reasonable attention...
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On the subject of "poles" my boats name is "Pole Dancer" USCG documented as such. It does have a brass pole in the saloon. Apparently 2&1/2 inch OD is the correct size (little hands ?) Mine is 3 inch because I needed to run a bunch of stuff thru it. It has been rode a few times, just about every female feels the need to give it a go. None of them would be impressed if I told them to P in a bucket. I dont embrace the minimalist boating (or living) lifestyle but I do respect and admire it.
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Thank you for reason...wanna be chairman of the TFMC (Trawler Forum Minamalist Club)?

Needs some reasonable attention...
No, but thanks for the offer!

I belong to the "It-Just-Depends" club. I'm neither minimalist nor maximalist... I work better in the realm of "it-just-depends". IOW, if I need it, want it, or simply gotta have it... I get it - if I can!
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No, but thanks for the offer!

I belong to the "It-Just-Depends" club. I'm neither minimalist nor maximalist... I work better in the realm of "it-just-depends". IOW, if I need it, want it, or simply gotta have it... I get it - if I can!
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DD492. What? No espresso coffee machine? You added it later?

LOL. I did say my list of equipment was a "partial" list. Truth be told I'll have not one but two espresso makers. For the pilothouse I'll have a super-automatic push a button and it does everything except what I'll have the mermaids onboard for. I'll also have a Bialetti stovetop espresso maker (my favorite type) for the galley.

Why two espresso makers you might be asking? It's all about safety. Really! After reading David Cohn's Shearwater blog, specifically his 06/25/2013 blog entry, where he describes a night watch where he goes from the pilothouse downstairs to the galley for some hot tea on a less than calm night. I'm sure you can imagine climbing down stairs in rough seas, making a cup of coffee or tea, and then heading back up to the pilothouse with one hand occupied can be challenging if not down right dangerous. Again, it's all about safety!

Oh, did I forget to mention I'm also planing to have a still onboard. http://stillspirits.com/products/turbo-500-still
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On the subject of "poles" my boats name is "Pole Dancer" USCG documented as such. It does have a brass pole in the saloon. Apparently 2&1/2 inch OD is the correct size (little hands ?) Mine is 3 inch because I needed to run a bunch of stuff thru it. It has been rode a few times, just about every female feels the need to give it a go. None of them would be impressed if I told them to P in a bucket. I dont embrace the minimalist boating (or living) lifestyle but I do respect and admire it.
Camon, now... don't just leave us hangen!! Any pictures of those dancers on your big ol' "3-inch" pole??!!!
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Ah, "minimalist" and "utilitarian". Two highly subjective words.
Utilitarian is the name of a quilt I made while at anchor one winter... The wind generator powered the batteries and an inverter created AC that allowed me to use my 1937 Singer 221. It's not fancy but it does work. And I like it.



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However one does not have to provide electric 24/7 , repair complex electronics , carry spare parts , listen to the noise like a vacuum cleaner (air models) and still provide space for a range and fuel to cook with .
Well, my 12-volt Oreck XL vacuum didn't work today. It's easier to use the small hand-held vacuum. And this life, at least for me, means having the tools necessary to increase my happiness quotient.

So tomorrow or the next day I'll take apart the Oreck and see if I can figure out what's wrong. At this point it doesn't work so there's nothing I can do to make things worse. And I just might be able to make it go again.

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I hope everyone realizes that a "minimalist" wouldn't have a connection to the Internet.
I was there for my first four years afloat... and it was lonely. I missed my imaginary friends (that'd be you!) and the feeling of being cut-off from the world was disconcerting. Plus, I like to learn things and that means having a connection.

For me, that's a $50 per month expense for five gigs from Verizon. I'm much happier with dependable wifi than always seeking an open source. The five gigs means I never view videos.

And I still use nearly the entire 5 each month. But Pinterest is a weakness. A serious sickness -- sort of like Yachtworld before I found my Seaweed!

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If you need a microwave and a TV on your boat to be "comfortable" you're not a minimalist. And probably a bit addicted to modern conveniences.
I've seriously considered a microwave for Seaweed -- but not for the speedy heating. Mainly to cut down on dish washing. It's faster and easier to reheat in a nuke than in the pan.

As for television, I do have a 12-volt DVD player and enjoy an afternoon movie with popcorn a few days a week.

Electric is aboard my boat -- for the Christmas tree lights, two (seldom used) lamps and a crock pot. Oh, and the small cube refrigerator. It's a Haier and totally inadequate, but it's paid for and works.

In the summertime having cold beverages is HEALTHY. Dehydration does all sorts of bad things to a body and for me, I don't drink enough unless the beverage is cold.

Wintertime is different -- this time of the year I want the drinks hot. And that's where a nuke would come in handy: to reheat my coffee.

Life is not about minimal, not for me. I'm too old for that nonsense. I want my goodies and am working toward having it all. Next up (if not an autopilot) will be two more solar panels and four more batts. With that I should be totally energy independent.

Afloat or tied to a pier, life will not be at all altered. And that's my goal.

Of course what I will tolerate after the half-century mark is far different than when in my youth. Our boat didn't have power until the late 60's. We were strictly oil and even after I left home the cabin light was still an old oil lantern. I still have the same lantern on Seaweed!

Here's mine:


I've rambled. I'll stop now. (nothing minimalist about this post!!!)
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I have officially been called out. I admit, I didnt see the humor so much when I posted that response. I do now> hilarious, but I really was not trying to say what it seams I said. My choice of wording could not have been worse, or more humorous, had I tried. Foot in mouth !!!! Working on inserting remaining foot.
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Nothing romantic about trying to find an inlet in fog while you are bent over the paper chart plotting your simple GPS fix.

IMO A depth sounder is the third most important nav tool after compass and charts.
Agreed - a simple $90 digital depth sounder (even an old flasher) is probably the only electrical item on a boat that is indispensable (lead lines suck). I was referring to the expensive sonar with downscan that I was "convinced" to purchase.
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Janice - We love your rambling.

Kulas - Yup, I cracked up over your post. You definitely deserve the foot in mouth award of the month.

Back to minimalism: Even marine charts aren't an absolute necessity. Years ago, I did a fair amount of coastal cruising using road maps. (and a fair amount of running aground)
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I have officially been called out. I admit, I didnt see the humor so much when I posted that response. I do now> hilarious, but I really was not trying to say what it seams I said. My choice of wording could not have been worse, or more humorous, had I tried. Foot in mouth !!!! Working on inserting remaining foot.
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On my post I didn't mean anything but yuck, yuck type stuff. My background is wide and varied on exciting levels when younger.

Your post was darn funny... when read with the correct slant of mind! I couldn't have written analogies any better my self! - Art
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I'm not sure I could be considered a minimalist, but my boat search has made me question what I really need, and what I can live without. The boat that I'm most smitten with doesn't have a genny, A/C or laundry facilities. At first I was thinking that all of those would be fairly necessary, but the more I think about it, the more I think I'd be fine without any of it. I could make a trip ashore every so often to do laundry, and make sure I still remember how to be a person in a society. As far as power goes, she's got some beefy solar panels, and the idea of not having to service a generator is appealing.

Now as long as I can find a place for a regulation 2 1/2" uh... mermaid pole, all will be well. Oh, and some crab traps.
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