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Old 11-30-2014, 11:15 AM   #41
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Old 11-30-2014, 11:26 AM   #42
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I am not condoning the absence of a VHF, just saying its not neccessary. ...........
I would consider a working VHF a safety item. Other folks must share that opinion or I wouldn't hear so many "radio checks" when I have mine on.
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Old 11-30-2014, 11:52 AM   #43
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Seems to me everyone is mimimanist in some way. Few boats are 100+ footers with crew. anything less is going withour something. Because you cant or wont afford it.
Howerer thewhole conversation of doing without as a meritorious lifestyle escapes me and I don't see whee the bragging rights attach to doing so.
IMO use the boat you have and enjoy it but don't look to me for applause of your decision to do without stuff.


PS: IIRC Tom Fexas toward the end of his design career was promoting the idea that boats had become too complicated and would be more fun if simpler. I'm not sure if he sold any.
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Many that watch TV aboard are liveaboards or long term cruisers and may watch no more TV per week than if dirt dwelling.
Agreed. We live aboard at anchor for 4 to 5 months each year. TV watching, all recorded, is an every so often evening break in an otherwise outside life. Movie night is complete with popcorn.
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Old 11-30-2014, 12:21 PM   #45
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I sometimes think about why some skippers don't have a 40' boat w only the equipment that we have. You could probably afford a boat 10' bigger if you didn't have all that convenience stuff.
This is exactly the sort of thinking I was going towards when I originally posted this thread. Going minimalistic, not to make some sort of social statement, or to pretend that one can still "camp out" even though we're getting older.

I'd say the two reasons why these thoughts come up are:
1) To simplify systems so as to minimize headaches, breakdowns and maintenance;
2) To reduce construction cost so as to be able to afford a slightly larger and more comfortable boat.
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Old 11-30-2014, 04:57 PM   #46
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Imo, minimalist in sail boating stems from limited funds. I doubt 10% would practice it if funds weren't an Issue. That being said, I applaud any and all who do it if that is what allows them to go boating. When I was in my 20s, I use to sleep in my truck in parking lots or camp in state campgrounds when I went on scuba diving trips, because I couldn't afford the cheapest motels. Don't regret having done it, but it was done out of necessity nothing else. My days of nautical camping are long gone.......I hope.

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Old 11-30-2014, 05:35 PM   #47
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Imo, minimalist in sail boating stems from limited funds.................
"Minimalist" is a highfalutin' word for "poor".
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Old 11-30-2014, 07:30 PM   #48
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"Minimalist" is a highfalutin' word for "poor".
Perhaps in your view.

Maybe some people just don't need luxury items to make them happy.
I still go camping in a tent with my wife, even though I could easily afford to buy a new luxury motor home with a couple months salary. We enjoy waking up listening to the birds and wind blowing through the trees.

When traveling. we sometimes stay in quirky hostels, even though we could stay in $500/night hotels. (and occasionally do) We tend to meet much more interesting people this way, in the shared kitchen or common room.

I think the minimalist approach in a boat or elsewhere keeps you closer in touch with your environment, rather than insulating you from it. I'd recommend it to anyone.
(except maybe those doing polar expeditions; - you'd best stay insulated)
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More & more I see more & more lavish boats, err yachts out there. These yachts have more & more electronic stuff crammed into, onto and around the helms. This conglomeration of electronic crap is not a replacement for seamanship. These yacht owners DO look down upon anyone who doesn't have a boat which is top heavy with unnecessary garbage they deem essential. I believe It is essential to many due to their lack of seamanship. Most need multiples of spare electronics because they can NOT navigate without it. I joined this forum to gather info. So far all I have read is mostly folks spouting superiority (my imagination?) I think NOT.
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Old 11-30-2014, 08:03 PM   #50
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I think the minimalist approach in a boat or elsewhere keeps you closer in touch with your environment, rather than insulating you from it. I'd recommend it to anyone.
Agree wholeheartedly with everything you said, particularly that last bit.

Sea kayaking is as intimate a form of travel on the ocean as one will ever get, because you feel everything and have to respect what Nature sends your way. It's like bicycle touring while larger boats are like riding on a bus.

The minimalist approach is embraced by many, such as free solo rock climbers or those who climb Everest alpine style without supplemental oxygen or Sherpa support.

Oh, and before anybody poo-poo's the idea of sea kayaks not being able to cross oceans, Ed Gillette sea kayaked solo from Monterey Bay to Hawaii in 1987 using an off the shelf 20' Necky Tofino double kayak.

Now that's minimal!!! http://www.legendinc.com/Pages/Marbl...dGillette.html
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A lot of folks that own yachts (use your definition) are the "look at me, look at me," type, where bigger and flashier is apparently better. They are not so much the "go somewhere do stuff meet people see places" kind of folks. I can afford most things on a boat that I might want, but I got to much crap already. I will admit to being lazy. I know how to navigate with a chart and all the tools but either or any of my 3 GPSs do it more easily. I can watch the barometer and wind direction/speed and do a fair job of forecasting weather, but my electronic devices do it even better,,,mostly. I dont embrace the minimalist boating lifestyle, but to say they are "poor" is about as ignorant as one can get. By being out there doing it they are richer than most here will ever be, no matter how much money they may (or pretend to) have.
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Old 11-30-2014, 08:40 PM   #52
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What a journey Murray. Yes. VERY minimal...


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Old 11-30-2014, 09:46 PM   #53
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Sorry to disagree but it is much more about observation than mode of travel.

Some people could be walking on hot lava and be oblivious while others could spot the lava from a 600 mph jet at 35000 feet.

I have traveled hundreds of miles by canoe and kayak, and thousands more by small boats.

Observation and caring to go slow enough or stop and smell the roses can give the same results in many of the boats here on TF.

I wouldn't.....actually couldn't travel to FL and back to NJ every winter in 4 months in a kayak.....but when I stop, I observe the world pretty closely.
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Old 11-30-2014, 09:47 PM   #54
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Perhaps in your view...............
Well of course in my view. I wouldn't have posted it if that wasn't my view.

I am entitled to my view, you are entitled to yours.
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Old 11-30-2014, 09:52 PM   #55
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More & more I see more & more lavish boats, err yachts out there…. These yacht owners DO look down upon anyone who doesn't have a boat which is top heavy with unnecessary garbage they deem essential.... So far all I have read is mostly folks spouting superiority (my imagination?) I think NOT.
Back when I owned my 65ft trawler I generally had difficulties trying to reach out to other cruisers, to locals and to fishermen. My boat was an old, rusted dump that cost less than most people's cars, but still the first thought of others was that I was a rich snob!

Plus nowadays I travel to third world countries and places where Westerners aren't exactly the most liked people.

So my future boat will be somewhat minimalist (for simplicity and cost sake) but also it needs to stay relatively small (incognito - not drawing attention).
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I'm confused: Your earlier post said minimalist so as to afford a slightly larger boat. This post says you want to stay relatively small. Does that mean 190 ft rather than 240'?
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Ah, "minimalist" and "utilitarian". Two highly subjective words.
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I'm confused: Your earlier post said minimalist so as to afford a slightly larger boat. This post says you want to stay relatively small. Does that mean 190 ft rather than 240'?
Hmm, good point. Size is all relative. My previous 65 footer was too large. So smaller would be something quite less than that, actual length TBD.
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>IMO use the boat you have and enjoy it but don't look to me for applause of your decision to do without stuff.<

Minimalist does not mean a poor lifestyle , it usually means a far better Boating life style.
More time boating , less time repairing stuff, or having it repaired/replaced.

EG for modest sized boats a Dickinson diesel range will both cook and heat the boat , on the hook ,24/7/365 , no worries about battery draw.

OK its > minimalist < one has to turn a knob , rather than set a thermostat. WOW!

However one does not have to provide electric 24/7 , repair complex electronics , carry spare parts , listen to the noise like a vacuum cleaner (air models) and still provide space for a range and fuel to cook with .


Minimalist? perhaps, , (but still warm below freezing , with fresh home baked bread ) , the only minimum part is expense and maint headaches.

WE sometimes get visitors at our FL dock with so much installed electronics they have no idea how to turn it OFF.

At night they have learned to sleep thru alerts , bells and beeps from the electric toys, they PAID for !!
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More & more I see more & more lavish boats, err yachts out there. These yachts have more & more electronic stuff crammed into, onto and around the helms. This conglomeration of electronic crap is not a replacement for seamanship. These yacht owners DO look down upon anyone who doesn't have a boat which is top heavy with unnecessary garbage they deem essential. I believe It is essential to many due to their lack of seamanship. Most need multiples of spare electronics because they can NOT navigate without it. I joined this forum to gather info. So far all I have read is mostly folks spouting superiority (my imagination?) I think NOT.
That's not true. Most here have been boating for a very long time. They started without the more sofisticated electronics. You confuse lack of seamanship with wanting to have some nice electronic toys to play with. No different than the smart cell phone I have now versus the rotary dial phone I grew up with.

Finally, yes it's your imagination. It's not about superiority, but pride of ownership. Yes, I like to post pics of the prodjects I've done on my boat, but would rather in joy viewing the beautiful boats that others have (boat porn). There is lots of useful information posted everyday on this forum. It just may not be the info you need. Try the archives.

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