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Old 08-18-2018, 06:48 AM   #1
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And meanwhile in the Chesapeake...

Nine survive boat collision in Chesapeake Bay - Capital Gazette
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:04 AM   #3
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Hmmm, regardless of the sailboat having an engine on, unless that photo is flipped...
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:08 AM   #4
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Hmmm, regardless of the sailboat having an engine on, unless that photo is flipped...


Pic is correct. More have been posted locally.

This should buff out.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:13 AM   #5
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My exoerience with many charter guys and some rec guy using planer boards in the Chesapeake is they think they can do whatever they want.

But this guy had to have been going faster than trolling.....

Then again..... on a busy sailing day near Annapolis, sailors think they can tack whenever they feel like it.
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Old 08-18-2018, 07:26 AM   #6
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Agree with the the above observations by psn. Sailboters tend to use the right of way privilege to excess and fishermen with planer boards tend to think they're entitled. The speed at which it looks like this happened seems about right for Spanish mackerel fishing. It doesn't look like either one had an adequate watch posted but if I were to guess, the fishing boat wasn't paying attention and the sailboat watched the whole thing happen without taking corrective action.
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And meanwhile in the Chesapeake...

Reported 10 to 12 knot breeze and flying a jib and main I doubt the J 105 had his motor on. If that is true it may be difficult for the power boater operator to not show negligence. Avoid all accidents is the primary objective.
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Depends on the sailboats actions and whether there were other boats around.

Can't see the powerboater escaping more than 50 percent, but can see the sailor taking a big chunk.

Then again ....I am just generalizing on habit patterns... As there is little info from just that article to make sound judgements on.
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Ouch !!!
From the pic apparent wind would make the stbd side of the sail boat the high side.
Can't imagine what it took to get the power boat up and ocer the rail.
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Regardless....
Gross negligence to allow that to happen. Avoid any potential for accidents !!
No reason whatsoever to be that close to another boat on open water.
Fishing rods are stowed but could have been after the fact. I think he was going faster than trolling speed.
Notice most of the power boaters have life jackets on, sailors don't.....
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Notice most of the power boaters have life jackets on, sailors don't.....

Almost certainly, PFDs would be donned after the fact. I may have seen somebody wearing a PFD on a local charter when they're going out to fish... back in the last century maybe.... maybe once. It'd be very uncommon.

We have 9 fishing charters here in our marina these days, I don't remember seeing anyone on those with a PFD on as they leave or reenter the marina.

The charter probably wouldn't have been trolling with planer boards, possibly not even trolling at all. Most of the locals are bottom-fishing, drifting or anchoring, jigging or live-lining, this time of year... for rockfish, croaker, and/or perch.

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The picture may not be representative of the wind at the time of collision, or if the sailboat tacked right in front of the powerboater it could have been more level.

With multiple boats rounding Thomas Point light from the channel, lots of boats get close to one another ..it's both a major waypoint and arrival departure to a channel.

We don't know when the rods were stowed.
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I just heard -- from at least a third-hand source, possibly with some speculation -- that the skipper or mate of the fishing charter was (or may have been) driving from the cockpit controls. Which could in turn mean reduced/little/no visibility forward through the pilothouse and over the bow.

Very unsubstantiated.

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Not sounding good, but the same for the sailboat if she just tacked. The sails may have been a contributing factor with their visibility.

I hear from some sailors that reduced visibility with sails up is one reason they don't sail parts of the ICW, more than inconvenience.
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Still - there is a lot of open water in the picture. Somebody wasn't watching what they were doing, and probably both of them. I'm surprised that no one was killed.
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Still - there is a lot of open water in the picture. Somebody wasn't watching what they were doing, and probably both of them. I'm surprised that no one was killed.
I doubt that the sailboat tacked in front of the boat, unless it was a last ditch effort to get out of the way.

It is true that it is hard to see to leeward in a sailboat, but sailors have reflexive behavior that always has them checking inder the sails and definitely when tacking. It is the same type of automatic move a Cessna pilot makes where they lift the wing in the direction of a turn before the turn to check behind the blind spot there.

Also keep in mind the relative speeds of the two boats. It can be hard for a slow boat to avoid a fast boat.

Still, psn could be right and the sailboat could have cut right in front of the fishing boat.
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Not to drift a little this reminds me a whale flipped a fishing boat off the Jersey shore the other day.
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Still - there is a lot of open water in the picture.

It looks open, but from a little local guesswork (and we couldn't actually see them from here) it gets pretty shallow around there, probably 225-degrees worth of shoal (from their boats) depending on which way they were heading.

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Glad everyone is OK. The rest can be fixed or rebought.
However that photo is perfect for a caption competition. I'll start:

Yacht Path owners start from the ground up again!
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