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Old 03-18-2013, 09:38 PM   #101
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Take a close look at photo #21, enlarge it so you can see everything clearly....keep on lookin gal, it's out there
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:56 PM   #102
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I have been watching this boat for a while now. I could potentially buy this as a Plan B and buy something more seaworthy later.
I know that the popular opinion, and for very good reason, is to stay local, but anyhow, I'm still going to ask the question.

Do you guys think there would be any way/chance of getting this boat to the East coast on her own bottom?

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A complete and total shitbox. Run, don't walk, away from this piece of junk.

1989? I don't think so.

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:18 PM   #103
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ok. I have been watching this one for a very long time also. It is a bit longer than I would like, but it has everything I need. The stabilizers need repair, but I am willing to deal with that if the boat is in good condition otherwise. What do you guys think?

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:23 PM   #104
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ok. I have been watching this one for a very long time also. It is a bit longer than I would like, but it has everything I need. The stabilizers need repair, but I am willing to deal with that if the boat is in good condition otherwise. What do you guys think?

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The owner is desperate to sell. You need to find out why. Also, is US tax paid?

BTW, this is in no way an offshore boat.

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The owner is desperate to sell. You need to find out why. Also, is US tax paid?

BTW, this is in no way an offshore boat.

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Yeah, I realize it's a coastal boat, but I was looking at it as a Plan B boat.

I agree that the owner is desperate, but what makes you think so, the suggestion of trade or financing?

What do you think a good deal offer would be, if I were to make one?
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Yeah, I realize it's a coastal boat, but I was looking at it as a Plan B boat.
I agree that the owner is desperate, but what makes you think so, the suggestion of trade or financing?
What do you think a good deal offer would be, if I were to make one?
If by "Plan B" you mean "spend a ton of money on a crappy boat then sell it at a loss when I run out of money", this is a great choice. Otherwise, not so much.

The owner is clearly desperate, because they are selling the boat for very little money, especially considering what they spent in upgrades.

From what I can see, I'd offer around $225K. Not that this is a good boat to buy, there a many better choices for the same amount of money.

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I have been watching this boat for a while now. I could potentially buy this as a Plan B and buy something more seaworthy later.
I know that the popular opinion, and for very good reason, is to stay local, but anyhow, I'm still going to ask the question.

Do you guys think there would be any way/chance of getting this boat to the East coast on her own bottom?

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I am thinking this is a semi-displacement hull that will use a lot of fuel with 520 horsepower. If you run it at displacement speed, the engines will probably slobber and the piston rings will have carbon build up freezing the piston rings requiring an overhaul. Rolls Royce sounds expensive to me for parts and hard to get. Also this is a direct drive, no reduction gears for larger slow turning propellers so inefficient. The fuel tank seems quite small for an Atlantic crossing. The fuel tanks have to be small to keep the weight down for a semi-displacement hull to operate successfully. It's a nice looking boat and the price seems low so maybe shipping it across the Atlantic would be a good deal. I am not sure about resale value as it seems to be a make of boat that not everyone is familiar with and a careful assessment of build quality is needed.
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:17 PM   #108
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Yeah, I realize it's a coastal boat, but I was looking at it as a Plan B boat.

I agree that the owner is desperate, but what makes you think so, the suggestion of trade or financing?

What do you think a good deal offer would be, if I were to make one?
Does this work for you? Sleeping arraignments might not be enough for your needs but it is a fine boat...IMO

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Ms, GG. What the hell. Zip over to Ensenada for the weekend and have a look. Nice 2 or 3 days chillin' and lookin' at boats...Questions??
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Does this work for you? Sleeping arraignments might not be enough for your needs but it is a fine boat...IMO

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I've idled past this boat several times. I've never been on it but she's beautiful on the outside.
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I've idled past this boat several times. I've never been on it but she's beautiful on the outside.
I've actually slept aboard, she's a very fine looking boat. Well equipped and well laid out.

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Old 03-18-2013, 11:38 PM   #112
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Does this work for you? Sleeping arraignments might not be enough for your needs but it is a fine boat...IMO

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Old 03-19-2013, 09:52 AM   #113
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If by "Plan B" you mean "spend a ton of money on a crappy boat then sell it at a loss when I run out of money", this is a great choice. Otherwise, not so much.

The owner is clearly desperate, because they are selling the boat for very little money, especially considering what they spent in upgrades.

From what I can see, I'd offer around $225K. Not that this is a good boat to buy, there a many better choices for the same amount of money.

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P.S. you'll save yourself a lot of hassle by buying a good boat instead of a crappy boat. Just sayin.
Why is this a crappy boat? As you said, the owner spent a lot on upgrades. Isn't that a good thing?
I really like this boat for the money. It has an abundance of space so my teens won't be on top of eachother. The interior finishes are very nice. I wouldn't have to worry about any changes there. Just have to comb through to see about hull and mechanical condition.
Geez, 5 kids, 5 staterooms I like it...
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Does this work for you? Sleeping arraignments might not be enough for your needs but it is a fine boat...IMO

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The boat is gorgeous and like brand new. It is more than I wanted to spend. 3 staterooms, 5 kids, plus adults would be tight. I would have to rip out 2 of the beds and re-configure bunks in, which wouldn't be the worst thing. This would only work for me as a Plan A boat. So, it would have to be an ocean-crosser. It seems like more of a long range coastal boat?
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Ms, GG. What the hell. Zip over to Ensenada for the weekend and have a look. Nice 2 or 3 days chillin' and lookin' at boats...Questions??
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Do you think the Sea Ranger, initially, would be worth the trip?
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I am thinking this is a semi-displacement hull that will use a lot of fuel with 520 horsepower. If you run it at displacement speed, the engines will probably slobber and the piston rings will have carbon build up freezing the piston rings requiring an overhaul. Rolls Royce sounds expensive to me for parts and hard to get. Also this is a direct drive, no reduction gears for larger slow turning propellers so inefficient. The fuel tank seems quite small for an Atlantic crossing. The fuel tanks have to be small to keep the weight down for a semi-displacement hull to operate successfully. It's a nice looking boat and the price seems low so maybe shipping it across the Atlantic would be a good deal. I am not sure about resale value as it seems to be a make of boat that not everyone is familiar with and a careful assessment of build quality is needed.
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What to you think of the Sea Ranger that I posted? Do you think it would get about a gallon a mile?
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OMG, now a plan B. As suspected months ago, you are just kicking tires. But please don't let up GG, we old pharts need the lighter side from time to time.
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Greetings,
Ms. GG. Depending on where you are in the world, I'm looking at 12" of that white crap out my window, a long weekend in Mexico sounds pretty good right now BUT, Mr. IE raises a VERY valid point. Is the US tax paid and how much would it be to import?
VERY, VERY difficult to tell much from photos but you're gonna have to go on SOME boats eventually, so why not this one?
Doesn't appear to be too much S&S hanky panky going on in the ER. Seems to fit plan "B"....Overall (from the pics) seems OK.
Take lots of pictures. I'm expecting a FULL report!
Mr. s. Of course, There's always a plan "B".
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:45 AM   #119
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While I kind of agree with RT, I think a more valuable, less costly learning experience would be to buy a Jet Blue ticket to Florida for a week and to go look and learn about boats that might come even marginally close to your needs. You will learn so much if you get decent broker to show you around. There are so many vessels available that you will have a much better idea of what you can live with, even if you do not find THE boat. Easy, cheap trip. Better than flying all over the place to see "one-off long shots". Just do a YW search for the general category and stretch price up a bit. For example have you seen the 75 Tarrab (single engine)??
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Old 03-19-2013, 10:52 AM   #120
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If you are going to California I still look at the 66 Choy Lee as it fits the needs now and has good potential for Blue water. Choy Lee is know for the larger pleasure and commercial boats. No matter what size, make sure the local marinas has moorage and yards can lift it, which might be the limiting factors.

I have always put Plan B ahead to be a live aboard, 100% of the time and coastal cruising, 10% of the time before Plan A blue water /ocean crossing that might/may could happen 5+ years in the future. Heck in 5 years its a very good chance you will not be a lived aboard, 75%.

Also it might be better to finance part of the boat that meets you need now, rather than buy a boat that does not or will need a lot of time and funds. Probable better cash flow wise also as you can finance part of the boat but you can not finance remodel/repairs. If we had to do over again we might have bought a bigger more expensive boat and financed it as the Eagle the first 5 year boat united us, 1 grand, but we had the cash flow and between my wife and I had the skills required. There is nothing wrong with financing especially if itís going to be your home. The only way we can justify owning the Eagle is that we live on it.

The last point is time is slipping by and you will never make up for it. Time with you children is Priceless. Even though we were the white trash of the marina we would not trade the memories.
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