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Old 01-26-2018, 07:46 AM   #1
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Marker Light Out

The marker light in front of our house on the St Johns went out a few days ago. One of the neighbors noticed and called the USCG and reported the light on St Johns Marker 28 was out. He was asked what the coordinates of the marker are. Duh. Obviously, the neighbor was less than thrilled with being asked the coordinates of the marker and as of this morning the light is still out.

Granted the St Johns isn't the ICW down by Miami but we do get both commercial and recreational traffic and sometimes early in the evening or early in the morning when it is dark. Worse, fishing boats come flying up and down the river at 40-50MPH sometimes in the dark.

Since the St Johns is an inland waterway, are the markers the responsibility of the USCG or the Army Corp of Engineers or even the St Johns Water Management District? Who should we be reporting the light outage to?
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Old 01-26-2018, 08:15 AM   #2
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The USCG I belive reports light list outages, so they woulx take the info, who actually fixes it, cant be sure but probably the USCG.

Check how many ATON discrepancies exist in the Florida area right now......

Then guess why "that" marker may not be fixed for quite awhile......
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Thanks!

It was a little bit of a challenge since I was not familiar with the Light Lists and the "Catcha" phrases were almost unreadable to my old eyes but it got reported (again).
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You say your neighbor called about the light but did you call as well?

Call them. Have your other neighbors call them. Ask when it will be fixed (you won't get a good answer but ask anyway). Ask them who is in charge of fixing them. Call them again in a week or so. Keep calling.

In my experience reporting a safety issue to the USCG results in them broadcasting it on the radio for a few days.
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If it is already on the light list as being extinguished....

It gets put on a prioritized work list and at that point additional calls are detrimental....and also usually makes the morning broadcast as a LNM.

If you want it put higher, call your congressman.

At that point you have really screwed up the system, created a bunch of make work, and it may still only get fixed on its current schedule.
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I am perfectly happy working within the system but if Mr Aboatman feels it is necessary to make multiple calls, he is welcome to be my guest.
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this might be like calling a detective working 5 murder cases, and along with 30 other buglary and robbery cases multiple times asking about your stolen bicycle.

once you file the report and do a followup call down the line to see if it is still active....chances are multiple calls are a waste of everyones time.

not all followups are a waste, but in my boating life let alone USCG career, never knew ATON guys to take their responsibility lightly.
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I am perfectly happy working within the system but if Mr Aboatman feels it is necessary to make multiple calls, he is welcome to be my guest.
You are the one posting and complaining about the light, not me. I live far from this light and personally, I don't give a crapola if it gets fixed or not.

I was under the impression from your post that you wanted it fixed ASAP. I was just giving you honest suggestions on how to accomplish your implied goal, not inviting a smartassed reply.
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You are the one posting and complaining about the light, not me. I live far from this light and personally, I don't give a crapola if it gets fixed or not.

I was under the impression from your post that you wanted it fixed ASAP. I was just giving you honest suggestions on how to accomplish your implied goal, not inviting a smartassed reply.
Well, it wasn't a complaint on my part but my neighbor did complain about the way he was treated by the USCG person who took his call. I wanted to verify who was responsible for maintaining markers on the inland waterways and what the correct procedure was to report it. Chill out fella.
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Yesterday, a USCG crew stopped at the marker to check out the light. Guess it wasn't a quick fix as the light is still out this AM. Would think it would be something simple like a bulb or a battery but certainly the solar charger or day/night sensor could have also seen the ghost. Kind of wondering if the light went out when Irma hit and we just didn't notice for a few months.
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"Worse, fishing boats come flying up and down the river at 40-50MPH sometimes in the dark."

That's why boat insurance is expensive.
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Mr. D. "... bulb or a battery but certainly the solar charger or day/night sensor.." Could also be the servo generator is seized up or the engineer is out of pellets...

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Could also be the servo generator is seized up or the engineer is out of pellets...

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Mr. D. You give me far too much credit. The "servo generator" pictured above is a government unit and is standard equipment installed in most if not all critical infrastructure. It was developed to replace the original, quasi-unreliable mechanism (shown here) that was re-purposed and is now being used to process your tax returns.


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Yesterday, a USCG crew stopped at the marker to check out the light. Guess it wasn't a quick fix as the light is still out this AM. Would think it would be something simple like a bulb or a battery but certainly the solar charger or day/night sensor could have also seen the ghost. Kind of wondering if the light went out when Irma hit and we just didn't notice for a few months.
That sounds like a government operation because if a private company sent someone out to repair the light, they would have made sure they had the parts and skills to repair it in one trip.
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That sounds like a government operation because if a private company sent someone out to repair the light, they would have made sure they had the parts and skills to repair it in one trip.
Don't know. It could have been a routine river patrol boat that was asked to check out the light during a patrol and report back what on what issues they found. The boat didn't look very well equipped to do marker repair.
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That sounds like a government operation because if a private company sent someone out to repair the light, they would have made sure they had the parts and skills to repair it in one trip.
utter bull....

the USCG tried pilot programs using civillian contractors to do ATON work and it failed miserably.

Not only did it cost more, the number of outages and duration went up.

I know personally as the ATON unit that worked with me was one in the pilot programs.

There are lots of things in government done well or better than civillian counterparts....or the civilliianization costs way more .... sure numbers have to be adjusted for benefits, retirement, etc...but then other numbers are lost in a complex system requiring manpower for emergencies and sea service. ... so its never clear..

Plus in this case, often a simple check is done by a utility boat crew, and if it isnt a bulb, etc... an ATON unit is scheduled.

You know how many civillian contractors show up without or incorrect parts they ordered? Ask any boat owner.....

Yeah, the government.....blah...blah...blah.
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Mr.ps. I have witnessed government contracting out/privatization first hand and whole heartedly agree with your observations. Usually touted as a cost saving measure by some bean counter or government hack in a futile effort to downsize government. It sounds REALLY good on paper and is popular with the voters but in all but a few instances, that I'm aware of, it is a flop. Nobody ever asks the front line troops their opinion yet they are the one's that suffer the public's wrath.

Another cost cutting fiasco is reducing funding to departments that are already struggling to "do more with less". Ends up being "doing more with nothing". Been there, done that myself and couldn't afford the T-shirt.
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you know what you have to pay some spineless contractor to go out and replace/repair a first order light in a gale?

then lookup what some poor 3rd class petty officer makes...... and over his/her lifetime serving...

Hey I think the government can do better, but I know I am disapoointed with corporate America just as much.

post generic slams and I will remind you every time about defense contractors, the banking industry, the medical insurance industry, big pharm and the opioid epidemic, etc, etc.... incompetent AND greedy....
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utter bull.... ....................
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