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Old 05-09-2019, 07:39 PM   #21
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I'm sure taxes play a big part, but supply/demand effect is very real. There just aren't enough slips in Dade county for the number of boaters. The municipal marinas all have waitlists and Irma didn't improve the supply. I'm at Miami Beach Marina, on an annual lease. It is not cheap, but is a nice, clean well-managed marina. There may be possibilities at Prime Marina in Coconut Grove, price on an annual basis might not be that different..

As others have said, need more info from OP to offer more help.
And, that scarcity, of marinas, is directly related to the property tax rates. Highest and best use taxing, no matter what the property is actually being used for.
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So let’s assume you own this beautiful waterfront property and your financial planner says you can turn it into a marina and have an income of $200K per year or turn it into retail shops and a couple of restaurants and derive an income of $425K per year. Taxes are the same, what would you choose?
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So let’s assume you own this beautiful waterfront property and your financial planner says you can turn it into a marina and have an income of $200K per year or turn it into retail shops and a couple of restaurants and derive an income of $425K per year. Taxes are the same, what would you choose?
I'd turn it into shops and a restaurant and have a marina in front of them.
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Why do we insist on bringing taxes into so many threads here? How is it helpful to the OP? It's a boating forum folks.
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"Why do we insist on bringing taxes into so many threads here? How is it helpful to the OP? It's a boating forum folks."

Reality helps anyone that can understand it.

In this case the OP may decide to dock elsewhere and drive to Miami .

At Miami marina rates a daily limo might be cheaper.

Or as they used to say,,,,,," If you have to ask, you cant afford it."
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Yes, information on costs is helpful. I added some.

Guesses about why those costs are high, especially when laced with political agenda, don't seem to be. And they detract from the experience of those looking to simply discuss and learn about boating.

I'm sure we'll find a way to bring guns into the thread soon enough too.
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"I'm sure we'll find a way to bring guns into the thread soon enough too."


Probably Calle Ocho would be a better location for gun purchases than a marina..
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marinas - Miami

So I guess the answer may be “what drives rates “ is the overall cost of the land, it’s holding costs and taxes and the prices paid for labor on top of overall demand when comparing Marina costs...
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Old 05-11-2019, 10:17 AM   #29
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Wifey B: More within 2 miles. More within walking distance.

That's like Joe's Stone Crab. You can't adequately describe it. One has to experience it to understand.
Let me preface this by saying that my absolute favorite food is stone crab claws. I consider them to be manna from heaven. I'd eat them three times a week if I could.

As Miami is part of my territory for work, I'm down there quite a bit. A couple of times I have been traveling with management with expense accounts and they have taken me to Joe's. Joe's has excellent stone crab claws.

But here's the thing, all stone crab claws ar excellent unless they are spoiled. They alll taste the same. Joe's doesn't cook their claws themselves, no one does. Claws are cooked by the crabber then sold. The shells are really thick, no flavoring gets through to the meat, which doesn't need any flavor added, it's perfect already.

Joe's is very, very expensive. Maybe you are paying for the atmosphere, which is cool if thats what you are into, but you aren't paying for better stone crab claws. All stone crab claws, unless Frozen or something, are the same.
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Joe's is very, very expensive. Maybe you are paying for the atmosphere, which is cool if thats what you are into, but you aren't paying for better stone crab claws. All stone crab claws, unless Frozen or something, are the same.
Wifey B: That's like saying all steaks are the same and all chicken is the same. I've tried them elsewhere and been quite disappointed. I don't know if it's the selection of crabs or the way prepared or way cooked or how served, but I am sold on Joe's. And let me assure you it's not the atmosphere to me, as I think the place is a madhouse.
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I must agree with Doug. I've eaten at Joe's many times (guests like to experience it) and don't think the food overall is any better than any other good seafood restaurant. It is surely priced for the tourist trade. And yes it is a madhouse. Not MY favorite.
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Wifey B: That's like saying all steaks are the same and all chicken is the same. I've tried them elsewhere and been quite disappointed. I don't know if it's the selection of crabs or the way prepared or way cooked or how served, but I am sold on Joe's. And let me assure you it's not the atmosphere to me, as I think the place is a madhouse.
I'm glad you enjoy their claws. They are delicious.
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Let me preface this by saying that my absolute favorite food is stone crab claws. I consider them to be manna from heaven. I'd eat them three times a week if I could.

As Miami is part of my territory for work, I'm down there quite a bit. A couple of times I have been traveling with management with expense accounts and they have taken me to Joe's. Joe's has excellent stone crab claws.

But here's the thing, all stone crab claws ar excellent unless they are spoiled. They alll taste the same. Joe's doesn't cook their claws themselves, no one does. Claws are cooked by the crabber then sold. The shells are really thick, no flavoring gets through to the meat, which doesn't need any flavor added, it's perfect already.

Joe's is very, very expensive. Maybe you are paying for the atmosphere, which is cool if thats what you are into, but you aren't paying for better stone crab claws. All stone crab claws, unless Frozen or something, are the same.
I agree. I've eaten a few hundred times at Joes over the past 23 years I've lived in s Florida. I've had equally good claws from fish mongers and Costco (when you can get them). Publix is always a crap shoot for what you will get.
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Apparently.

You may have missed Suntex taking over and then new management. Rates have gone up.
I learned something. It has been a while since we stayed at the marina, maybe a couple of years. Stopped at the fuel dock in January, but just fueled and went on, didn't stay the night.

I agree that is the best marina if your destination is South Beach. We have been to South Beach a couple of times, great food, but not really our interest. We are more interested in Boca Grande, Marathon, or South Seas, etc.

IMO those are very high rates. If they have people who will pay them, then more power to them. With the number of boaters who definitely value the location - I don't imagine they have any problems.

Just probably not a stop for us.
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One thing I always noticed about Joe’s is the crabs are cracked perfectly. Plus I have had crabs that were not very good at other places but not at Joe’s, however they are pricey.
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One thing I always noticed about Joe’s is the crabs are cracked perfectly. Plus I have had crabs that were not very good at other places but not at Joe’s, however they are pricey.
Why doesn't anyone mention DKM. It's a great location, many restaurants and a Fresh Market in walking distance. Prices are still reasonable and from what I understand transient slips are almost always available. And for those that like South Beach for topless, Haulover Beach is a much better beach with a much better atmosphere and everyone can go al natural (a much better way to experience the beach (and boating for that matter)). :-)
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Why doesn't anyone mention DKM. It's a great location, many restaurants and a Fresh Market in walking distance. Prices are still reasonable and from what I understand transient slips are almost always available. And for those that like South Beach for topless, Haulover Beach is a much better beach with a much better atmosphere and everyone can go al natural (a much better way to experience the beach (and boating for that matter)). :-)
Wifey B: Since the OP never returned, never gave us any info on what he considers reasonable, never told us what he wanted in a marina, we're all completely in the dark. As to Haulover vs South Beach, very different group of people. I like the international flavor of South Beach.
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For many of us who live here Haulover is considered second rate while South Beach is.....SoBe. As far as the topless point, regular folks go to Haulover but pornstars and hard bodies go to SoBe waiting to be discovered.
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For many of us who live here Haulover is considered second rate while South Beach is.....SoBe. As far as the topless point, regular folks go to Haulover but pornstars and hard bodies go to SoBe waiting to be discovered.
Wifey B: SoBe is more of a few removing their tops, wearing thong bottoms, and other people just looking which those being viewed like fine. Haulover is more full participation. SoBe more Europeans and South Americans, Haulover more from the US. Haulover is the first and/or only clothing optional beach most who go there have been to. Most who are on SoBe have been topless elsewhere as well and really don't think of it as a big thing.
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So why??

So why does a reasonable question about marinas in Miami get hi-jacketed into topless beaches?? so figure!!
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