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Old 05-27-2014, 12:45 PM   #1
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Question Mandatory Dye Tablets for Your Black tank??

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Old 05-27-2014, 12:52 PM   #2
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I think she needs to explain this scientifically or maybe a high school diploma is necessary before speaking to the press...

"Thornton. After staging her business at the harbor for the past four years, she said she hardly sees anyone at the public pump out stations.
“For one 30 gallon tank of concentrated human waste dumped into that harbor, it’s like 10,000 people flush their toilet at home and it went into the water,” she said. "
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"My solution is a mandatory pump out,” Thornton said. “Every boat in the harbor should be pumped out once a month.”

She is making an inaccurate assumption that every head, in every boat is used once a month. Unless she is only talking liveaboards, then her idea has merit.
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Greetings,
I concentrate when "delivering" my waste but I don't think the waste itself is participating.
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Oceanside Harbor opens directly into the ocean. A three mile trip westward from the harbor puts the boat outside the 'no discharge' zone where holding tanks can be pumped legally.

A map of the harbor shows many restrooms available to the slips.

This looks like an attempt by a private business to generate income.
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But what does everyone think of the requirement (law) that you WILL put a dye tab in you head? I don't advocate dumping RAW waste within the 3nm zone, it just seems an over reach of government. Boats are the main polluters of a bay? Does the city or town dump sewage into the bay? What about those boaters that have gone and installed a marine sanitation system on their boat?
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PS-that statement does not even need a HS diploma to refute. My low flo toilets at home use virtually the same water per flush as the heads on my boat. On the boat, the flush goes to a 100 gal holding tank. The tank is pretty much sealed so no, or very little, evaporation takes place. So how is the waste on the boat concentrated? My heads use about 1.6L per flush. In a 30 gallon tank, that would be about 71 flushes. The most efficient home toilets use about 1.3 Gal/flush. 10,000 flushes would be about 13,000 gallons. That gives a comparative concentration of about 433:1! A bit hard to believe.

I don't disagree with jurisdictions requiring pump outs (already required), or with them finding reasonable ways to enforce it. I don't even mind a jurisdiction finding that the most efficient way to do that is to pay a contractor to do it on a regular basis. Actually, I think that may be one of the cheaper, more efficient alternatives. I just think that a contractor wanting to feed at the public trough should use valid statistics.
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We live in Oceanside, CA and the marina is not the big tourist draw, it is the beach. It is imperative that the beach be kept open and free from fecal pollution. The marina has 95 live-aboards which is a large percentage for such a small marina. Being a city run operation, the dock-keeping standards are low with rusty bicycles, barbeques, torn canvas flapping in the breeze, etc. I prefer to drive 45 miles south to San Diego than drive 6 miles to this marina.
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Bingo...the horse I have in this race is I am installing an electrocsan unit...have purchased a salinity refractometer and salt additive so it will work anytime I'm in the ICW instead of just not worrying about it....a big PIA for boaters yet towns and industry aren't as easily targeted as a boater by a boarding officer or the ridiculous "dye" requirement.

If you want to pollute...it's easy. If you want to try and comply... it's hard....what's wrong with that picture?
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We live in Oceanside, CA and the marina is not the big tourist draw, it is the beach. It is imperative that the beach be kept open and free from fecal pollution. The marina has 95 live-aboards which is a large percentage for such a small marina. Being a city run operation, the dock-keeping standards are low with rusty bicycles, barbeques, torn canvas flapping in the breeze, etc. I prefer to drive 45 miles south to San Diego than drive 6 miles to this marina.
the ridiculous thing is that those liveaboards that spend a grand or so to get a electroscan system would actually be helping to clean up the water by purifying it beyond many standards...

Yet I'll bet the bay is more polluted from other sources and the boaters are the easy target.
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Mr. ASD. I have no problem what-so-ever with mandatory dye additions, close monitoring or strict application of the law. Not really a big deal to add once a month or every pump out. I had a transient boat beside me last year who left his slip before I woke up and his present to me was floating in the empty slip. THOSE are the kind of bastards I'd love to see dinged with a $5K to $10K fine. Responsible boaters I know wouldn't even think of dumping inshore. I know nothing about marine treatment systems so I can't comment.
Just had a thought...How about spitting the fine with the reporter? $5K for me, $5K for the state...
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Mandatory pumpouts made a huge and very visible difference in Boot Key Harbor (Marathon, FL), as well as many harbors on Long Island Sound, and even in Westport Harbor MA, which has a very swift ebb current, being a river, and is not a year around harbor. . The only proven way of accomplishing this that I know of is to have a pump out boat come on a scheduled basis and pump you out whther you are on board or not. Cost of which is included in the mooring fee.
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Mandatory pumpouts every month? Most/many boats aren't even boarded by their owners even once a month!!

My $30 monthly pumpouts (the pumpout company only services our marina once a month) extract between five to twenty gallons at a time, and I do extra flushes just to put more water in the 35-gallon holding tank.
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"Thornton. After staging her business at the harbor for the past four years, she said she hardly sees anyone at the public pump out stations.
“For one 30 gallon tank of concentrated human waste dumped into that harbor, it’s like 10,000 people flush their toilet at home and it went into the water,” she said. "
A 30 gallon tank holds about 40 flushes if you are lucky, not 10,000. The waste is not any more concentrated than gal/flush household toilet.
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But, you guys (and gals) are "yacht owners", and y'all are loaded. So you can afford a few coins a day to help out a poor struggling artist, err, the environment, yeah, help out the environment, that's the ticket.

I suspect the many more smaller day use boats, trailerables, runabouts, jet skis, pontoons, etc are the cause more pollution than all the sailboats, trawlers, and mega yachts on the water.
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Here's the solution.

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No pesky holding tank to harm the environment. Come to think of it this may have been RT's transient neighbor.
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Craig I see the dinghy has been launched.
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Mandatory pumpouts made a huge and very visible difference in Boot Key Harbor (Marathon, FL), as well as many harbors on Long Island Sound, and even in Westport Harbor MA, which has a very swift ebb current, being a river, and is not a year around harbor. . The only proven way of accomplishing this that I know of is to have a pump out boat come on a scheduled basis and pump you out whther you are on board or not. Cost of which is included in the mooring fee.

That looks like the solution to me. Include it in the dock fee-


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But what does everyone think of the requirement (law) that you WILL put a dye tab in you head? I don't advocate dumping RAW waste within the 3nm zone, it just seems an over reach of government. Boats are the main polluters of a bay? Does the city or town dump sewage into the bay? What about those boaters that have gone and installed a marine sanitation system on their boat?
If someone can figure out a not-too-bureaucratic way to administer, I would be all for it. My marina has over 5,000 boats and nothing but the honor system to prevent people from pumping overboard. The problem is, no one has come up with a good way to make sure the dye gets put in the tank, since boats are coming and going all the time.

Mandatory pump outs may be the best approach, but monthly isn't enough for live aboards.
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