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Old 08-08-2019, 10:14 AM   #1
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Mandatory Boat Safety Course for Boating in NY - Including Transients

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Old 08-08-2019, 10:39 AM   #2
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Thanks for the heads up.









Note to self, bypass NY on my way north and allow for plenty of shoreline clearance.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:45 AM   #3
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Another way to get more money.
If the state insists, I think it should apply EVERYONE afloat be it a powered water craft, sailboat, paddle board and canoes and anyone using a flotation device.
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Old 08-08-2019, 10:45 AM   #4
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Doesn't apply to sailboats but my 8MPH go-fast trawler, yes, even though some saiboats under power go faster. The ignorance of lawmakers can never be underestimated. Oh, I didn't know that New Jersey requires out-of-staters to pass a test. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. Still, when the time comes for me in 2025, if I am still on the water, I will be a scofflaw.
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Old 08-09-2019, 09:17 PM   #6
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... some saiboats under power go faster.....
There's no such thing as a sailboat under power....that's a power boat with a mast.
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Old 08-09-2019, 11:50 PM   #7
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Wonder what the effect will be on half of the population having less than average intelligence. Lots of people do not do well passing written tests, but are intelligent otherwise.
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Old 08-09-2019, 11:59 PM   #8
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There's no such thing as a sailboat under power....that's a power boat with a mast.
Wonder how the law is drawn. If the legislature had any intelligence, any vessel with an engine would be subject, including auxiliary sailboats, those with
often having outboard engines like skiffs and dinghys, and so on.
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Old 08-10-2019, 12:53 AM   #9
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In WA, the boater education requirement applies for anyone operating a boat with a 15hp motor or more. That, of course, includes sailboats with at least a 15hp motor.
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Old 08-10-2019, 04:58 AM   #10
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Oh, I didn't know that New Jersey requires out-of-staters to pass a test. Ignorance is bliss, I guess. Still, when the time comes for me in 2025, if I am still on the water, I will be a scofflaw.
NJ honors other states certificates as long as it is a NASBLA member state. They rarely even look and if so you need to be in state >60 days. Not a big deal for cruisers.
How many are cruising without sitting through an 8+ hour boating safety course of almost any type? Practically zero.
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In WA, the boater education requirement applies for anyone operating a boat with a 15hp motor or more. That, of course, includes sailboats with at least a 15hp motor.
IDK what the east coast laws are now (moved west 15 years ago), but I have to say the WA law seemed fair. Free course/test on-line, $10 for a lifetime license, grandfathered if born ~'55 or earlier.

The WA law, like you said, covered motor vessels w/o regard to length, mast, etc. and seemed reasonable.
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Wonder what the effect will be on half of the population having less than average intelligence. Lots of people do not do well passing written tests, but are intelligent otherwise.
If they have instructors like me (I did it for 15 years or so)...they pass...unless they are also clueless about boating.


And no... I never GAVE a certificate out...they all passed the required exam....some maybe they took a little longer than the allowed hour...but I gave some them some slack as I thought the questions were worded poorly.
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Old 08-10-2019, 06:57 AM   #13
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How many are cruising without sitting through an 8+ hour boating safety course of almost any type? Practically zero.


Based on the responses, quite a few.

My feeling is that if preventing you from endangering others with your boat is “intrusive and onerous”, oh well, suck it up. You don’t get to run around endangering me and others. If you want to operate a boat, it comes with a set of obligations that you need to live up to, and these laws are requiring you to do that in the most minimal way. They are long over due, in my opinion. And if you already know everything about being a safe boated, demonstrate it by taking any one of the tests and getting the card.
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Ct has had a lisence requirement for many years.
Not sure it has done much good from my observations.
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Would a Captains license exempt you from having to take this course? Does a license exempt a captain in NJ. Or other states requiring training?
I do believe training is long over due especially with the new fade of trying to fit as many high horsepower outboard engines as they can on to a center console boat or pontoon boats. We have seen overload pontoon boats with 800 hp and lots of beer being consumed.

As I'm sure we all have , I have seen to many close calls.
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Yes, in NJ a USCG license counts, but you have to have the document handy...would suspect all states would accept it.


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On our trip we did not know NJ required anything but I did have my license on board. Of course we still have not recieved our Documentation from the CG, so we were dreading the thought of a boarding anywhere. Luckily we had no such event, not even on the Chesapeake.
The new licenses resemble a passport in size, so they are much easier to take along.
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In Wa (yes, I know, this thread is about NJ) a license counts. If avoiding state licensing / training requirements were all I wanted a USCG license for I'd go for the six pack.

Do keep in mind that the holder of a USCG credential will be held to a higher standard in the event of collision / casualty etc than a non licensed recreational boater. Even if you are not at the time of the incident operating under your credential. Yes, that's in the CFRs. No I can't cite it, I came across it some time ago when researching the CFRs on another matter.
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Do keep in mind that the holder of a USCG credential will be held to a higher standard in the event of collision / casualty etc than a non licensed recreational boater. Even if you are not at the time of the incident operating under your credential. Yes, that's in the CFRs. No I can't cite it, I came across it some time ago when researching the CFRs on another matter.
And rightfully so. The best rule of boating is your first priority is to avoid a collision, whether you are the stand on vessel or not.

So stay as far away from them other boaters as you can.
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I have been through the CFRs quite a bit researching for teaching licensing courses.


I have NEVER seen a reference to whether a captain is held to any standard except which our legal or USCG administrative system normally follows.


Loosely interpreted.... any court or administrative body can sanction you for something you did or didn't do. But I know of no specifics against a captain not actively needing his/her license to be held to any exceptional standard.


You are responsible for the rules of the road whether licensed or not and will be judged accordingly. There are all sorts of stories where the license either helped or hurt...but I have not read any transcripts of actual cases where a captains license or status was canges when on a recreational vessel whether as owner/captain or passenger. Possible?... sure I guess...but I would like to see some hard facts eventually.


I truly would like hard evidence or links as I often am asked about this very topic.
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