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07-06-2019, 08:26 AM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
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Major damage :(
This morning we went to the boat to work on the raw water circuit after a week of vacation to discover a major hull damage
My feelings are between desperation and heartbreaking.
Here are the pics
In the following the cause is obvious, when they set the post the full weight was on the wood angle...
So sad I am about to cry...
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07-06-2019, 08:41 AM
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Oh man , that sucks!..No need for that.
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07-06-2019, 08:47 AM
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City: Coupeville Wa.
Vessel Name: Pacific Myst
Vessel Model: West Bay 4500
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That's horrible!
I'm not familiar with Canadian law or business practices. In the US I'd contact a surveyor immediately and get a report of what the damage is and why it happened. My own surveyor, not one hired buy the yard or either side's insurance carrier. At the same time I'd notify my insurance carrier of the incident. All the while and from the first moment telling the yard in no uncertain terms they are responsible. Keep all conversations with the yard simple and to the point. No casual remarks about anything.
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07-06-2019, 08:49 AM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
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I need a drink and a strong one
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07-06-2019, 08:52 AM
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City: Satsuma FL
Vessel Name: No Mo Trawla
Vessel Model: Hurricane SS188
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 2,300
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
I need a drink and a strong one
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Methinks you need a lawyer!
Really sad story.
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07-06-2019, 08:56 AM
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lou_tribal
I need a drink and a strong one
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Yes you do...I'm buying
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07-06-2019, 09:00 AM
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
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For your own peace of mind.....If it's just in that one spot.... maybe no big deal. Have them grind off the paint and gel for a foot or so in both directions and look for lamination cracks.
Many of the older trawlers had hollow box keels that you could crack at points but it is a simple fix and no threat to whole boat/ultimate structural integrity...but I would have them add additional blocking ASAP.
When I bought my boat, the keel was dripping Water so I broke out the grinder. Took just a couple hours after it dried to fix it (less than an hour a day).... several days of layering, sanding and filling. Ultimately covered with cloth and epoxy, barrier coat and paint. Cant tell it was there after 8 years, 7 round trips to FL from NJ and several light groundings.
A surveyor isn't a bad idea.
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07-06-2019, 09:07 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 6,194
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It happens. Not the end of the world. Just a bunch of grinding and glassing needed to repair.
Is that a water tank in the interior photo? How hard to move?
Take a further away shot showing the keel blocking. How many other keel blocks and stands?
Will need to get yard to lift boat and reblock so the the repair area is accessible.
What type of hull construction?
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07-06-2019, 09:23 AM
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City: Pender Harbour, BC
Vessel Name: Gwaii Haanas
Vessel Model: Custom Aluminum 52
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Yes the yard is fully culpable. Call your insurance company and let them deal with it. The sad part is your very short boating season is now wrecked. It looks like whomever was blocking your boat had either never done it before or was in a hurry to go home. He should stay there.
Get it properly blocked and get a knowledgeable surveyor involved. Insurance!
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07-06-2019, 09:35 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
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No, the yard is not "fully culpable". Depends on how they blocked the boat (need pics). They might or might not have done a standard blocking arrangement.
If a boat has a tender keel, yard needs to be told that so blocking is done more carefully.
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07-06-2019, 09:39 AM
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Guru
City: Pahrump, NV
Vessel Name: Pairadice
Vessel Model: Sold Selene 47
Join Date: Jul 2014
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Sorry Lou, and it’s not gonna just buff out! The boating season just got a lot shorter.
Hope the repair is done in a timely manner and done well. Best of luck!
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07-06-2019, 10:32 AM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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The hull is full fiberglass, no sandwich. The keel is not hollow but thick plain fiberglass. The boat is on 3 stands, 2 adjustable one on aft and one in front ( the wood one I show). Problem there is that they did not set the one in front properly and flat. The wood piece was sitting at and angle so the full weight was on the wood angle and not the full flat wood surface. First thing I check is if the broken fiberglass was wet or rotten in any way, what is not the case, it is perfectly dry and solid. Issue for me is obvious, if you put many tons on a single point it will break as the pressure is not distributed.
The tank showing in the picture is the waste tank. Not a big deal to remove it but better to be sure it is perfectly empty before disconnecting the discharge or it will be a big mess.
I immediately went to the guy at the marina so to show the damage to him, while not the owner he clearly stated that the issue was the way it has been set on blocks and it is an insurance case.
I will be monday morning at 7AM at the marina to deal with the owner. Just hope this will not go wild and to be able to get back in water before September in order not to ruined my planned 3 weeks cruise.
Let see...
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07-06-2019, 10:38 AM
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Senior Member
City: Victoria, BC
Vessel Name: Timeless
Vessel Model: CHB 34
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 262
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Good luck Lou!
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07-06-2019, 10:39 AM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Thank you all for your support, much appreciated.
I must admit seeing this while arriving to the boat just hurt and broke my heart.
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07-06-2019, 10:41 AM
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City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
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Nothing a couple of thousand won't fix. Yard should offer to repair it if they have the capabilities. They could deny liability claiming a wind burst from a thunderstorm knocked the boat off so it was an act of god. Nobody wins if it goes to litigation.
If they don't step up, get some quotes. Shouldn't take more than a week or two to repair and the spring rush is over.
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07-06-2019, 10:49 AM
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Technical Guru
City: Wilmington, NC
Vessel Name: Louisa
Vessel Model: Custom Built 38
Join Date: Jan 2014
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Do post pics of entire blocking arrangement.
I've blocked a lot of boats. Even if block is edge loaded, the wood should crunch in before the keel. All depends on the whole support situation.
Keel does look a bit soft, somehow.
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07-06-2019, 10:57 AM
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Guru
City: Kitimat, North Coast BC
Vessel Name: Badger
Vessel Model: 30' Sundowner Tug
Join Date: Jul 2012
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Crap.
Have any other projects you were thinking about doing that required your boat to be on the hard, but weren’t willing to do them because it intruded on your cruising season? Might be the time...
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07-06-2019, 11:08 AM
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Guru
City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
Vessel Model: Custom Built
Join Date: Jan 2016
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MurrayM
Crap.
Have any other projects you were thinking about doing that required your boat to be on the hard, but weren’t willing to do them because it intruded on your cruising season? Might be the time...
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Well we were already working on different things like new fresh water circuit, new battery bank etc. I guess that I may add new hull paint considering the repair...
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07-06-2019, 11:16 AM
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City: Quebec
Vessel Name: Bleuvet
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07-06-2019, 11:35 AM
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Guru
City: Gibsons, B.C., Canada
Vessel Name: Island Pride
Vessel Model: Palmer 32'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,414
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Ouch Lou. I am very sorry to see that.
I agree though that you NEED to contact your insurance co. who will get a proper surveyor to assess the damage. Even if you and the yard agree that the yard is to do the repairs that surveyor can monitor so a shoddy job is not done.
I also agree that you need to get a whole bunch of photos from both sides and from enough angles that the blocking, however it was done, is clearly
shown .
If this is not done first you may wear the problem however it turns out.
Even if you and the yard come to an amicable agreement about the repairs you NEED a surveyor involved.
NO where near what you have to deal with but I did a repair to my boat after we got hit. FIrst thing I did was contact the insurance co. and they sent a surveyor who was an actual marine engineer with boat experience. As mine turned out even though it cost me a bunch of the summer I would have been covered if my work had uncovered more trouble and the finish of the job had to be sent elsewhere. I asked. It didn't.
In the past I have had angled blocking like that done BUT they then laid a piece of heavy lumber several feet long atop the block to pick up the boat keel angle and that lumber is what took the angle on the block, not my hull.
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