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Old 06-30-2014, 01:34 PM   #21
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Just for reference, I am not shooting for a perfect yacht and have no specific long trips in mind yet. Most boats here are more utilitarian and used for hunting and fishing and that is what I'm used to. I think I'm in this for the project, something to keep my hands busy. Also the idea of having a boat at the end of this which I could sail long distance if I wanted.
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Old 06-30-2014, 01:47 PM   #22
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And yes it would be such a shame to let this potential ship be wasted. But maybe I'm not the man for the job.

A few of you mentioned that if it's no good for fishermen then it's no good for me. Although it might not quite be that simple. The problem for fishing ships here are they are out in open sea year around, in ice filled waters. The surveyor said to bring it up to commercial fishing standards they'd have to add some more steel to thicken the hull (or replace with thicker steel in the bow) for ice reasons. Fishing ships take a hell of a beating here.

People don't really have yachts here nor are many people equipped to restore/rebuild a boat this size. Most boats are small fast going fiberglass boats. Get out fast, get home fast 😊
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Old 06-30-2014, 04:48 PM   #23
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Just jumped off the boat. It does not look good. It was quite sad to see actually. I took plenty of pics which I'll post later for you to comment on.

The engine room on the other hand is another story. Pretty much all the installations are new. And what seems to be a brand new Perkins m215c diesel engine.

Asking price for the whole shebang is approx. 2700 USD.

When I'm back home tonight I'll post more info and pics.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:01 PM   #24
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Twirk,
Mate if you have 9 mm hull thickness and you think you can cut and replace any rusted ribs and frames at $2000.00 it could be a good project.
OK no ice breaker, but that is not the objective.
Don't over capitalise . Like you stated make it fairly spartan but comfortable.
The engine , gen set if in reasonable condition are just a bonus.
Just ensure that any steel work you do on the inside, all rust is removed , any other rust is blasted and coated.
Sounds like you may know a bit about steel work so why not go for it.
Look forward to the photos.
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twirk as long as you go into this with you mind and eyes wide open I guess you could make it happen? Are you stuck on wanting a steel hull? I'm pretty sure you can find an alternative boat in better shape perhaps one that won't need this level of rebuilding and still come out financially better than if you attempt to restore this fishing vessel into a private vessel. I'd pass but I don't have the skill set to weld or work with Steel.
It sounds like the boat bug has bitten you I would suggest looking at other vessels that would require less work. If your looking for a hobby and it's rebuilding near wrecks this is the boat for you. If you are looking for a decent vessel to make into your dream cruiser this might not be the correct vessel? Only you can answer these questions.
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Old 06-30-2014, 05:06 PM   #26
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Just jumped off the boat. It does not look good. It was quite sad to see actually. I took plenty of pics which I'll post later for you to comment on.

The engine room on the other hand is another story. Pretty much all the installations are new. And what seems to be a brand new Perkins m215c diesel engine.

Asking price for the whole shebang is approx. 2700 USD.

When I'm back home tonight I'll post more info and pics.
I kind of think that you have made up your mind to do it, reading between the lines. If I had your knowledge and skills, and you say that no problem with having a place to work on it, I might feel that way also.
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We wanted to do something similar but were scared of steel.
It's just too much work to stay on top of the rust. It's very difficult to effectively rustproof the interior of an existing hull (with engine, systems, fittings etc.in place). Everything needs to come out to do the job properly.

We converted a fibreglass fishing boat with an alloy wheelhouse, adding a cabin to the work deck and accommodation forward. Still a big job and we went 30% over budget and will never get the money back. But after 10 years, it doesn't matter so much as depreciation has pretty much flat-lined.
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Old 06-30-2014, 06:46 PM   #28
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In the distant past, I have been around steel boats.
I am not going to write a lot about it but, if the main corrosion problems are inside, get the hell out of there!!!
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:26 PM   #29
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Okay folks,
I took so many pictures, I don't even know where to start.

So here is the story. The ship is built in Norway. It was purchased and brought to Greenland in 2008. The ship had a temporary one year fishing license. After which the owner had to have ribs and steel replaced/reinforced to make it commercial spec. He did not do so and lost the license. Some years later, the current owner purchased it thinking he could use it for commercial fishing. He never did. One year ago, it was placed on land and has been sitting there ever since. Several people have looked at it, all interested in using it for commercial fishing. None have come back.

The warf (there is only one), gave a quote of approx. USD 110,000.00 to replace/renovate the ribs and only the front part of the hull. (The warf here is INSANELY overpriced. If you ever sail to Nuuk, Greenland plan your repairs elsewhere).

Now the current owner lives abroad and basically just wants to get rid of the boat cost what it will. Which is why my offer of USD 2700 is being accepted (I had put an ad in the Greenlandic Craigslist equivalent asking for a project boat for a max. price of USD 2700 and the seller of this boat contacted me).

I do not have all the details of the ship yet, because the seller was supposed to email me boat documents this evening, but I guess it will be tomorrow.

The specs I do have:

Length: 12,5 meters
Dry weight: 27 tons
Engine: Perkins Sabre diesel, M215C


I can say one thing. All you folks who said "interior rust? RUN!" are right about this one. I have deemed this boat un-salvageable. The interior steel hull was downright disgusting. And after much consideration this evening, I've pretty much decided it's no task for me. I don't see how it's possible to save it. If you think otherwise by looking at the photos please tell me.

So, now the question is: should I buy the boat, rip out anything of value and sell the remaining hull as scrap?

Everything in the engine room is updated and looks very new and shiny. I need to have a mechanic come look at the engine to confirm what shape it is in. It has not been running for at least a year.

I think I'll let the photos speak now.
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Here is the bow cabin and rusted ribs and hull behind the wood interior.

Looks bad doesn't it?
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Here is the mid section of the ship which is for fish storage.
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Old 06-30-2014, 10:44 PM   #32
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Dude, sorry but run! That has all got to be gutted. Been there done that. Nothing against steel boats but they HAVE to been maintained. The rust that you can see is not where it stops. I now drive fiberglass.
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Here's the engine room. Does anybody know what a Perkins diesel M215C sells for new? I have no experience with Perkins. What is the quality of these engines?
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Here is the bridge.
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It's a good candidate for an artificial reef ....

I wasn't expecting that amount of corrosion on the
inside ...

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A few exterior features.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:19 PM   #37
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I wasn't expecting that amount of corrosion on the inside ...
Neither was I. I was quite shocked.
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:32 PM   #38
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How much metal lost? Sometimes steel looks horrible, but plenty of structure left intact.
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How much metal lost? Sometimes steel looks horrible, but plenty of structure left intact.
Apparently very little. The surveyor said it was at nine millimeters all over the hull. Which is the original hull thickness.

It does look horrible and obvious that EVERYTHING must be gutted to properly seal the the steel. It will be a mammoth task to remove rust and seal.

Also there is quite a bit of water damage around/under windows and mold on the backside of wood interior. It's all gotta be gutted completely.
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The Perkins Sabre in this vessel is very good and identical to the Cat 3056, but how maintained is the key. The after cooler looks as if it has been changed, hopefully not any damage occurred prior to replacement.
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