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Old 07-14-2013, 01:00 PM   #1
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LOA including swim step to anchor?

My wife and I are looking seriously to purchase a trawler, (using that term losely) and have been told at the harbor max length is 35' from swim to anchor with no further over hang. I looked at the slips yesterday and saw a GB 32 which must fit. I am wondering other models that would also meet that length.
Californian 34 LRC?
IG 32 ( I assume would but would like clarification)
We are looking for a very traditional vessel, the go fast sleek Bayliner look doesn't appeal to us. Other thoughts? Our budget is going to max about 70ish.
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Californian 34 should come off that list. Not certain loa but FlyWright's fills a 40 foot berth quite nicely.
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Yup...strike the 34 Californian off your list. My LOA is 36'8" or something like that...maybe 36' 10". I have an anchor pulpit and a swim step.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:31 PM   #4
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I wouldn't be buying a boat to fit a slip unless there are no other marinas within an hours drive.
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Old 07-14-2013, 09:43 PM   #5
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My choice is to be able to use the boat regularly and with Bellingham being just over ten minutes away it makes sense to me. Plenty of 35' or less boats would work for a family of three.
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Old 07-14-2013, 10:40 PM   #6
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George Buehler designed the Diesel Duck 34 because: "I had thought that the original 38 DUCK was as small as the concept could be but recently I had to reconsider. A guy down in Mississippi told me he loved the 38, but, since Katrina took out the coast, most of the rebuilt marinas have a firm 35' overall maximum length rule. That includes pulpits, davits, etc. Why I don't know. Possibly to make it easier to bulldoze up the ruble after the next hurricane? He wondered if the DUCK could be made smaller."

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Old 07-14-2013, 10:50 PM   #7
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Most marinas do charge by LOA including swim platform and bow pulpit. However, when a boat is described as an IG 32, or an MT 34, it most often refers to Length on Deck. So virtually all boats have an addition 2 to 5 feet to get from LOD to LOA. So if your slip is truly limited to 35', then you are limited to around a 32' boat or smaller. Surely in the B'ham area, there are marinas with slips bigger than 35'.

Where is Marin when you really need him?
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Where is Marin when you really need him?
I don't think he is up to do anything more than a PM.
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Old 07-15-2013, 12:30 AM   #9
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Bshillam,
Are you 10 minutes south, or north? Have you looked at Laconner? It's the best $ deal in NW washington (covered slips at the price of open in Bellingham) and a wonderful community, town. Good luck on your search. You may want to look at a GB 32 or a Taiwan (CHB) 30-32 sedan to hit that 35 LOA mark. Good luck.
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La Conner is about forty minutes+ away. I am on the Eastside of Bellingham close to Lake Whatcom.
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I recommend you punch up Seattle CL and place Tollycraft on search feature.

34' Sedan and tri cabin Tolly can easily have their short pulpit modified (if one even exists on a particular Tolly boat) and, if marina still squawks about 0AL being just a couple inches over 35' cause of swim step... that too can be overcome relatively easily by hinging the swim step to transom and having pull-up lines affixed.

You should go aboard a few good condition Tolly - they grow on ya quickly and in general their build-out was exceptional. As with any production boat builder, no matter how well the builder constructed their models over decades, different year Tolly have different qualities/quirks.

Best to join Tolly Forum if you get serious on looking at Tollycraft... search feature has thousands of archived threads and posts with many answers. Also, place a question on a new thread and there usually will be more than one Tolly Guru ready to supply qualified answers to help you. We Tollycraft owners band together to assist each other as well as to help new Tolly owners... being that we are a pretty tight clique...

Best Luck, in whatever you do!

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Length over all--LOA--is measured from the fore part of the stem to the after part of the stern along the centerline, EXCLUDING any projections that are not part of the hull such as the bowsprit or swim platform (unless it is a molded part of the hull).--Chapman
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Length over all--LOA--is measured from the fore part of the stem to the after part of the stern along the centerline, EXCLUDING any projections that are not part of the hull such as the bowsprit or swim platform (unless it is a molded part of the hull).--Chapman
Captain K - That's correct... regarding registration and other “official” measurement purposes for a boat. However... for dockage slip needs and resulting fees marinas often calculate boat length by adding any appendage on bow or stern to the official LOA, i.e. pulpits, anchor extensions, swim steps... etc. This is sometimes called OAL - Over All Length; as marinas figure what slip your boat needs to be sure and not have appendages sticking out water end of slip in the way of passing boats or in the way of dock walkers on the other end of slip.
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Give me a call (3607521741). We're in Bellingham also and just went through the same exercise for our 36 foot slip. For trawler style vessels you could look at the Nordic Tug 32 or the Camano 31. We chose a Camano but then there are only two of us and our really long trip summers are of the past.
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However... for dockage slip needs and resulting fees marinas often calculate boat length by adding any appendage on bow or stern to the official LOA, i.e. pulpits, anchor extensions, swim steps... etc.
That's the way it is in my marina.
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That's the way it is in my marina.
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Tiz a bitch for us boat owners to have to pay even more of a slip-fee than our registered LOA! - - > i.e. the marina’s OAL - LOL

But truthfully, it really is the correct way for marinas to calc costs/expenses as well as to insure safety for berthed boats, water born boats, and dock walking pedestrians. Be a real bitch for all parties concerned to have a swim step or dink and davits ripped off by a passing craft... or God forbid... an eye punctured by an anchor’s or pulpit’s protrusion while dock walking. So far as end dock tie-ups; the money for marina is in every foot of dock used.

Around here slips usually come in the 30, 35, 40... multiples of “5”. That way we’re not paying for the marina's actual OAL of our craft... but usually just a bit more so our boat really fits fully in the slip. Our 34 LOA Tolly measures a marina’s OAL at 37’6”. We rent 40’ or longer berths.

Happy Boating Daze!

PS: BTW Walt, how's your boat's eng temp doing?? Ever get opp to try Syn-oil for comparison to Dino-oil for temp reasons?
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PS: BTW Walt, how's your boat's eng temp doing?? Ever get opp to try Syn-oil for comparison to Dino-oil for temp reasons?
My engine continues to run at 192 at all settings above 1800rpm. It cools slightly at idle but seems to be happy at those temps. Yes, I'm coming up on an oil change (most likely this fall) and fully intend to try the synthetic. I will keep the Forum posted.
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Captain K - That's correct... regarding registration and other “official” measurement purposes for a boat. However... for dockage slip needs and resulting fees marinas often calculate boat length by adding any appendage on bow or stern to the official LOA, i.e. pulpits, anchor extensions, swim steps... etc. This is sometimes called OAL - Over All Length; as marinas figure what slip your boat needs to be sure and not have appendages sticking out water end of slip in the way of passing boats or in the way of dock walkers on the other end of slip.
Sadly true. Funny story...some years ago I signed a contract with a marina for a slip. The contract used the term LOA, which it did not define. I challenged the marina later when they tried to slap me with back fees charging for my bowsprit which was 4 feet long. Our disagreement went to arbitration, as the contract stipulated. I was able to convince the arbitrator to consider Chapman's definition of LOA as coming from a reputable and unbiased source. I also presented identical USCG definitions from 46 CFR. She, the arbitrator, ruled in my favor. The marina owners later amended their contracts. It sometimes helps to know the facts rather than what everybody thinks are facts. The boating world is rife with such misconceptions. Marina owners are no exception.
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Sadly true. Funny story...some years ago I signed a contract with a marina for a slip. The contract used the term LOA, which it did not define. I challenged the marina later when they tried to slap me with back fees charging for my bowsprit which was 4 feet long. Our disagreement went to arbitration, as the contract stipulated. I was able to convince the arbitrator to consider Chapman's definition of LOA as coming from a reputable and unbiased source. I also presented identical USCG definitions from 46 CFR. She, the arbitrator, ruled in my favor. The marina owners later amended their contracts. It sometimes helps to know the facts rather than what everybody thinks are facts. The boating world is rife with such misconceptions. Marina owners are no exception.
Good Job!

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I guess I'm lucky. I pay for a 42' boat. The GB is called a 42 and that is what I said when I moved in. I have a 45' slip and I hang out about 3 feet They don't say a word.

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