LOA including swim step to anchor?
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Nomad Willy
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Hi Walt ... believe what you will but in Alaska the 37 foot slip cost $570 a YEAR. I don't recall what the 50' costs but it was cheap.
Here my moorage is $300 a mo ... SIX times as much as the 37 foot slip in Alaska.
Do you guys think $300 a mo for 30' covered is representative of the service? Should the cost of moorage at a public place be about the same as the cost of operation? Should a public entity make a profit from renting moorage to pleasureboat owners? Should the government provide such service for boat owners?
Here my moorage is $300 a mo ... SIX times as much as the 37 foot slip in Alaska.
Do you guys think $300 a mo for 30' covered is representative of the service? Should the cost of moorage at a public place be about the same as the cost of operation? Should a public entity make a profit from renting moorage to pleasureboat owners? Should the government provide such service for boat owners?
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Sounds like great fodder for a new thread...
IMHO - Govt should freely supply covered berths for all pleasure cruisers. Lets get Bama into boating and my wish may come true... where's ancora when he's needed? LOL
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Somehow the OP's question got lost in the fray of this discussion.
You're absolutely correct bshillam, there are tons of boats available that your family can have a great time on. Bayliner is a brand nobody has brought up yet and there are plenty of fine examples in your area. The 32' flybridge model had a nice layout IIRC. Chris Craft is another often overlooked brand worth investigating. Tolly Craft has been mentioned and they are plentiful in your area.
A lot of the boats I've mentioned come either gas or diesel powered. Don't overlook gas as it can be quite economical both to buy and own. Obvious safety steps must be learned and followed but are easy to deal with.
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I guess everything is relative. I'd pee my pants and give you an hour to round up a crowd if I could get a slip for $300/month. Mine is $720/month. Sunroad Resort Marina | Sunroad Resort Marina
$5,040,000 annual gross for filled slip fees; quick calc. Wanna buy the yard in partnership!! Yummm.
Let our grand kids take care of the light work...
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Seahorse- I think it's time to move the boat!! My slip fees are only $214 per month for a 40ft. COVERED !!!!
Captain K- You at the Pirates Place (Ed Orton) on the Tombigbee? I'm just upriver from you!
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Captain K- You at the Pirates Place (Ed Orton) on the Tombigbee? I'm just upriver from you!
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Nomad Willy
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I wonder what our moorage rates would be if they were proportional to the cost of operating the marina plus 5 or 10%.
What role do taxes play in this issue?
What role do taxes play in this issue?
Chuck Gould
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Hinged pulpit also a possibility
One of the boats in our club moorage hinged the teak bow pulpit to get short enough to fit the slip. It's basically a butt hinge, that allows the front of the pulpit to swing up and back toward the foredeck. When coming into the marina, the anchor is stowed in chocks on deck, and the pulpit is bent upward on the hinge. The result is a LOA that is about 30-36 inches shorter than with the pulpit unhinged. The guy has had his pulpit this way for several years, with no reports of trouble.
One of the boats in our club moorage hinged the teak bow pulpit to get short enough to fit the slip. It's basically a butt hinge, that allows the front of the pulpit to swing up and back toward the foredeck. When coming into the marina, the anchor is stowed in chocks on deck, and the pulpit is bent upward on the hinge. The result is a LOA that is about 30-36 inches shorter than with the pulpit unhinged. The guy has had his pulpit this way for several years, with no reports of trouble.
Nomad Willy
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Chuck that's a good trick. I just carry my rode on deck in the first place. But that's an option I hadn't seen or heard of. And saves the man considerable moorage down the road channel or whatever.
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Same with markpierce's fold up swim step. Makes perfect sense...wish I thought of it.
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It's a rare sight to see my Coot's swim step and boarding ladder down.
(The swim step was a $1250 option at no cost to me since it wasn't ordered.)
(The swim step was a $1250 option at no cost to me since it wasn't ordered.)
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Adelaide
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From the guy without a bow platform or a swim step. :lol:
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I'm not sure I would entirely agree that in every case it's rude or disrespectful.
Take the guys with the fold-up swim steps or pulpits for example. When they are folded up, they aren't physically taking up any space. Why should anybody have to pay for space they are not actually using? It's not really cheating, unless the appendages were folded up only for purposes of initial slip assignment and are allowed to protrude thereafter.
If a boat that is 45' LOA can reduce it's physical dimension to 39' by folding up a swim step and a bow pulpit, I personally wouldn't see the harm in putting that boat in a 40' slip, (providing there was adequate beam, of course).
Take the guys with the fold-up swim steps or pulpits for example. When they are folded up, they aren't physically taking up any space. Why should anybody have to pay for space they are not actually using? It's not really cheating, unless the appendages were folded up only for purposes of initial slip assignment and are allowed to protrude thereafter.
If a boat that is 45' LOA can reduce it's physical dimension to 39' by folding up a swim step and a bow pulpit, I personally wouldn't see the harm in putting that boat in a 40' slip, (providing there was adequate beam, of course).
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We pay by the size of the slip.
Our boat is called a 3580, the insurance company says 37' and we seemed to have filled this 40' slip completely.
Our boat is called a 3580, the insurance company says 37' and we seemed to have filled this 40' slip completely.
Nomad Willy
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Adelaide wrote;
"From the guy without a bow platform or a swim step."
Yup .. ya got me there. 30' boat in 30' slip.
Lots of good reasons to have them but I just don't like either. With a big following sea a swim step could make the difference between pooped, swamped or not and a bow pulpit sticking out could catch a piling and damage the bow of the boat unless it had a designed in weak link but then it would be dangerous at anchor in a blow. I just don't need either enough to justify adding them and they aren't 100% a plus.
"From the guy without a bow platform or a swim step."
Yup .. ya got me there. 30' boat in 30' slip.
Lots of good reasons to have them but I just don't like either. With a big following sea a swim step could make the difference between pooped, swamped or not and a bow pulpit sticking out could catch a piling and damage the bow of the boat unless it had a designed in weak link but then it would be dangerous at anchor in a blow. I just don't need either enough to justify adding them and they aren't 100% a plus.
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Here in Aus, things appear fairly logical. One generally pays for the berth based on size of the berth. Some marinas have them down to 9/10metres, but 11 in the general minimum, and good for boats up to 36'. I own one of them for my 34'er, but it's 36' if one is pedantic re anchor pulpit and swim-step, (or duckboard as we tend to call them). However, it would be stupid waste for my boat to take up a 12m berth.
From 11m they tend to go to 12m, which suits boats to ~38-42', then they usually jump to about 14-15m, for 50-55'ers, etc, as people here don't froth at the mouth over a wee bit of overhang, after all it's only occupying air space, so as long as it does not constitute a danger to folk walking the dock, no worries mate. Some folk lower their anchor a tad to minimise this risk if the moor bow in and the anchor protrudes a bit.
Any bigger than ~ 55' usually means paying for two, end to end berths at the end of the finger, although some marinas do have up to 20m berths.
Personally, I feel making a fuss and charging extra for literal length also taking in projections that are so variable, and as several have mentioned, can be added or subtracted merely by folding up, changing only air space occupied but not the amount of usable berth they take up, is fairly dubious as a way of valuing space taken. What really dictates how much marina real estate they occupy, which in my view is what it is fair to charge for, is what 'minimum berth length' they realistically need to effectively and securely moor, and with practical access to the vessel. and without interfering with other boat traffic. After all, the marina developers paid for the land adjoining and the installed structures, not the water surrounding it.
From 11m they tend to go to 12m, which suits boats to ~38-42', then they usually jump to about 14-15m, for 50-55'ers, etc, as people here don't froth at the mouth over a wee bit of overhang, after all it's only occupying air space, so as long as it does not constitute a danger to folk walking the dock, no worries mate. Some folk lower their anchor a tad to minimise this risk if the moor bow in and the anchor protrudes a bit.
Any bigger than ~ 55' usually means paying for two, end to end berths at the end of the finger, although some marinas do have up to 20m berths.
Personally, I feel making a fuss and charging extra for literal length also taking in projections that are so variable, and as several have mentioned, can be added or subtracted merely by folding up, changing only air space occupied but not the amount of usable berth they take up, is fairly dubious as a way of valuing space taken. What really dictates how much marina real estate they occupy, which in my view is what it is fair to charge for, is what 'minimum berth length' they realistically need to effectively and securely moor, and with practical access to the vessel. and without interfering with other boat traffic. After all, the marina developers paid for the land adjoining and the installed structures, not the water surrounding it.
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