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Old 07-15-2013, 08:47 PM   #21
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I guess I'm lucky. I pay for a 42' boat. The GB is called a 42 and that is what I said when I moved in. I have a 45' slip and I hang out about 3 feet They don't say a word.

But this is Los Angeles. We be cool.
Capthead - Me no Comprendeaaaa??

You have 42' GB that hangs out 3' in a 45' slip... you either has a bunch o' l-o-n-g peripheries on bow and stern (anchor-pulpit / dink-in-davits??) that take up to 6’ extra beyond your 42’ LOA or you b-leave-n bunches of room between boat end and dock-walk planks.

BTW: They charge you for 45’ as per the slip’s length or for 42’ per your boat’s LOA?

PS: You see post today where Walt mentioned his oil change is on the horizon and he will use Syn-oil to measure engine temp variation (if any occurs) as compared to Dino-oil? I’m very interested to see his report when this base-level “blind-engine test” gets underway! We bantered back and forth about this to a near-death on another thread!
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Old 07-15-2013, 09:16 PM   #22
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Art, I've never measured my boat but it is longer stem to stern than 42'. I replaced the swim step and bought a deeper one by almost a foot. Probably 10". The anchor pulpit is stock and maybe 18" but that's my guess.

I did see that post and I'm looking forward to seeing his results.

Oh, I've been there for over 30 years and some things I got away with like them only charging me for the boat length and I very well know if I came new now that wouldn't happen. I am lucky with that.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:03 AM   #23
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Like many others, I hang a dinghy on davits behind my transom. that alone adds over 6' to overall length. At the other end, I have a bowsprit and the anchor overhangs it, so add another 18". My 44 (LOA) now occupies about 51'. I rarely go to commercial docks, but when I do, I usually get charged for 44'. The rates seem to build in the end extras.
My home port is a private Yacht club, where the rate is calculated at the greater of boat or slip length, including the full width of the dinghy and the full length of the anchor overhang. Since my shelter is longer than all of that, I simply get charged the 55' of the shelter.
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:52 AM   #24
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When I first got into surveying I had occasional disagreements with clients about how much they were being charged. Most surveyors charge by the foot of length.

I quickly discovered that the model name (most cases) has nothing to do with the length of the boat (differences of up to 5-6') and started actually measuring them .... still disagreements.

I now charge by whatever LOA is published by the mfg.. I still get disagreements as some mfg's include bow platforms, some swim platforms and some both. At least I have a simple, hard and fast rule that clients are made aware of before the fact.

My "Trendsetter 40" is 47.5' according to one marina, 43.5' by another and 40' by a third.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:16 AM   #25
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I think very bad things of you guys sticking out into the fairway OR the walkway. HOW RUDE.

And the idea that it's cool to "get away w stuff" like cheating and not getting caught is little kid stuff. Not quite disgusting but very disrespectful. Taking others peoples space and causing them inconvenience or worse is not cute ... it's rude.

And I disrespect the marinas that look the other way and don't protect courteous and respectful clients ... their space and their safety.

There's more but I've probably been critical enough.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:31 AM   #26
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Perhaps I misunderstand your post, but...
At Discovery harbour marina in Campbell river, for example, They ask you to radio ahead for a slip. In the radio interview they ask only what is the kind and length of your boat, "power 44, occupying 50' overall" is my request. They assign me a slip, meet me there, and charge me for 44'.
Most commercial marinas in my cruising waters do likewise.
No slip assignment has ever had me in a spot that protrudes into the fairway.

Only Port Hardy (in my experience) ever tried to put a 61 ft (overall) friend of mine into a 57 ft (reported on VHF when making the reservation) side tie, where there was literally only 57 ft available.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:53 AM   #27
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The Coot can't decide how long it is. On the electrical panel it is identified as "Coot 35." On the builder's website it is described as both 35 and 36 feet long, as well as a more precise 35'8". With the swimstep folded up and adding the bow pulpit it adds up to a total length of 38+ feet.

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Old 07-16-2013, 11:13 AM   #28
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My boat is over 40' but the CG document says 36'. When we go to Catalina I show the mooring guy my documentation and pay for 36'. As for slip sizing, our yacht club marina allows for 3' under and 5' over the size of the slip.
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Old 07-16-2013, 01:11 PM   #29
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And I disrespect the marinas that look the other way and don't protect courteous and respectful clients ... their space and their safety.
Wife and I looked at a marina recently anticipating moving there. Upon inspecting we rejected it from future consideration because they allowed pulpits and anchors to extend into walkways. Wife turned around and took a Danforth crossbar to the forehead returning to the access plank in low light conditions.

I agree that overhanging ones berth is discourteous to others.
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Thanks Craig,

If it's a private marina they should be able to charge whatever they want for whatever reasons but a public marina should have all their ducks lined up in the best interest of the people.

I'm proud to announce that our boat is exactly 30' long w no extensions whatever on either end and our slip is 30' long as well. That's one of the many reasons we don't have a swim step or bow pulpit. Moorage down here is way too expensive.

In Alaska we had a 50'and a 37' slip. We left the 50' slip because someone came along w a 47' boat. I utilized the longer slips by tying our 16' skiff in the same slip.
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I'm proud to announce that our boat is exactly 30' long w no extensions whatever on either end and our slip is 30' long as well. That's one of the many reasons we don't have a swim step or bow pulpit.
Come on, Eric! You don't expect us to believe that do you? ($$$$$$) That's the real reason.
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:26 PM   #32
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Hi Walt ... believe what you will but in Alaska the 37 foot slip cost $570 a YEAR. I don't recall what the 50' costs but it was cheap.

Here my moorage is $300 a mo ... SIX times as much as the 37 foot slip in Alaska.

Do you guys think $300 a mo for 30' covered is representative of the service? Should the cost of moorage at a public place be about the same as the cost of operation? Should a public entity make a profit from renting moorage to pleasureboat owners? Should the government provide such service for boat owners?
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Old 07-16-2013, 10:32 PM   #33
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Sounds like great fodder for a new thread...
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Hi Walt ... believe what you will but in Alaska the 37 foot slip cost $570 a YEAR. I don't recall what the 50' costs but it was cheap.

Here my moorage is $300 a mo ... SIX times as much as the 37 foot slip in Alaska.

Do you guys think $300 a mo for 30' covered is representative of the service? Should the cost of moorage at a public place be about the same as the cost of operation? Should a public entity make a profit from renting moorage to pleasureboat owners? Should the government provide such service for boat owners?
IMHO - Govt should freely supply covered berths for all pleasure cruisers. Lets get Bama into boating and my wish may come true... where's ancora when he's needed? LOL
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My choice is to be able to use the boat regularly and with Bellingham being just over ten minutes away it makes sense to me. Plenty of 35' or less boats would work for a family of three.
Somehow the OP's question got lost in the fray of this discussion.

You're absolutely correct bshillam, there are tons of boats available that your family can have a great time on. Bayliner is a brand nobody has brought up yet and there are plenty of fine examples in your area. The 32' flybridge model had a nice layout IIRC. Chris Craft is another often overlooked brand worth investigating. Tolly Craft has been mentioned and they are plentiful in your area.

A lot of the boats I've mentioned come either gas or diesel powered. Don't overlook gas as it can be quite economical both to buy and own. Obvious safety steps must be learned and followed but are easy to deal with.
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Here my moorage is $300 a mo ... SIX times as much as the 37 foot slip in Alaska.
I guess everything is relative. I'd pee my pants and give you an hour to round up a crowd if I could get a slip for $300/month. Mine is $720/month. Sunroad Resort Marina | Sunroad Resort Marina
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Old 07-16-2013, 11:34 PM   #37
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I guess everything is relative. I'd pee my pants and give you an hour to round up a crowd if I could get a slip for $300/month. Mine is $720/month. Sunroad Resort Marina | Sunroad Resort Marina
$5,040,000 annual gross for filled slip fees; quick calc. Wanna buy the yard in partnership!! Yummm.

Let our grand kids take care of the light work...
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Seahorse- I think it's time to move the boat!! My slip fees are only $214 per month for a 40ft. COVERED !!!!

Captain K- You at the Pirates Place (Ed Orton) on the Tombigbee? I'm just upriver from you!

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I wonder what our moorage rates would be if they were proportional to the cost of operating the marina plus 5 or 10%.

What role do taxes play in this issue?
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