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Old 11-28-2019, 07:01 PM   #1
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Lining someoneís boat about 15 ft on a visitor dock

Quick question, is it acceptable/common to move someoneís boat on a city marine visitor dock to make room. Situation is that a sailboat is taking up about 125 feet of space with 50 on each side of them, they arenít connected to power. I need 60 but nobody is onboard and the port is closed.
Not sure what best practice is, guessing just leave it. Trade off is I run my gen all night in a marina...
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:05 PM   #2
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My guess is that this is really a local issue, meaning, in some places I'm sure it's acceptable and even expected, others not.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:13 PM   #3
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I’ve decided it’s time to open wine so I’m gunna just run the gen (really need to get that diesel heat installed). Still curious what others say, especially NW boaters, in Bellingham marina.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:18 PM   #4
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I think I would move the other boat the distance required to allow you to moor and NOT have to run the genny all night long.
Leave a note on the other boat explaining what you had to do.
I think the other boaters will appreciate the quiet night.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:24 PM   #5
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If I had my old gen I would for sure, stern is facing away, and itís a new NL with silencer.

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I think I would move the other boat the distance required to allow you to moor and NOT have to run the genny all night long.
Leave a note on the other boat explaining what you had to do.
I think the other boaters will appreciate the quiet night.
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Old 11-28-2019, 07:38 PM   #6
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That is a tough question. Part of me says you shouldn't have to tolerate inconsiderate people and their bad docking practices. The other side of me is loathe to touch another person's dock lines other than to prevent damage.

As mentioned the acceptance of moving another person's boat is very much a local policy one way or the other. When tying to bulkheads on a canal wall, I've seen people or a harbor master move boats a short distance to squeeze another boat in. Have also seen where it was absolutely forbidden.

I probably wouldn't in this situation without being able to talk to a dock representative or the boat owner. I would position my generator exhaust as close to their boat as I could.

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Old 11-28-2019, 07:39 PM   #7
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Move the boat, leave a note and invite them over for a glass of wine.

If the situation was reversed what would your reaction be if someone moved your boat a few feet. I think most folks would be cool with this.
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I wouldn’t care, but I’m a glass in now so no tight docking for me
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I would not be happy with the situation, but I would never touch someone else's boat without their knowledge.
That's just me. But I would most likely be okay if they moved mine in this situation.
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I feel that if somebody touches a line on another boat they own anything that happens afterwards. Sometimes a dock master will move a boat if asked, but with none around I personally wouldn’t do it.

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I feel that if somebody touches a line on another boat they own anything that happens afterwards. Sometimes a dock master will move a boat if asked, but with none around I personally wouldnít do it.

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especially a big boat. You don't know what special ttaention that size boat requires when you tie it to the dock. Chances are good that you can anticipate all the likely quirks, but there is always the off chance that you miss something that later turns out to be important. Then you wear the consequences.
Far better to have your glass or two and not have to face any consequences.
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especially a big boat. You don't know what special ttaention that size boat requires when you tie it to the dock. Chances are good that you can anticipate all the likely quirks, but there is always the off chance that you miss something that later turns out to be important. Then you wear the consequences.
Far better to have your glass or two and not have to face any consequences.
I think that even if one does everything perfectly, if anything happens at all, the last person to touch it will be the first to be blamed. Iím loathe to put myself into that situation. In addition to the fact that I feel one just doesnít touch anotherís boat unless something obviously bad is happening.

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Old 11-28-2019, 09:07 PM   #13
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You're liable if you don't properly tie and fender it.
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I have been in similar situations when owner not around and wanted to move it a modest amount to make room for another.
Bottom line I have never done it alone where owner or a boater friend of the owner wasn't present.
I have retied many boats in our home marina that were in precarious positrons, banging dock, etc when owners not around but never in a strange / public location.
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I feel that if somebody touches a line on another boat they own anything that happens afterwards. Sometimes a dock master will move a boat if asked, but with none around I personally wouldnít do it. Ken
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Was the marina expecting you, as in reservation.
If yes, then ask for forgiveness, if not then forget about it.
No one that I know ties up in the middle of large open space, so someone else left.
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No one that I know ties up in the middle of large open space, so someone else left.
You boat in a very different area than I.

I've seen selfish boaters take their half out of the middle many times. I always try to leave as much room for the next boat as possible.

Even so, I've been moved a number of times. It's just not possible to always know what size boats may be showing up next, and sometimes there's no other choice to get everyone in. I don't hold a grudge against anyone who's had to do that to me. I just wish they'd learn to properly cleat a line, and adjust fenders when needed.

I don't recall ever moving someone else's boat when either the owner or an authorized person isn't around, but I could see it happening some day. I'd feel really weird doing it though.
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No res but marina doesn’t accept them, to be clear no bad feelings against the owner, just trying to understand what’s ok, my guess is other boats left.
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I wouldn't touch it. I would sorely be tempted but I would not in the end.

Last year in Charleston we were ready to leave early one morning and found a mega-yacht had tied it's stern dock line over the top of our forward line.

I could have un-cleated theirs and re-cleated it, and they would have probably never known. But I knocked loudly on their hull and eventually a sleepy crew member appeared and I told him what we were going to do. He watched me do the lines and I asked him if he was OK. He said yes, and off we went.

Just not worth the liability especially with dock cameras.
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Well...first thing is is there any contact info on the boat? Thatís pretty common up here, even if just a phone number. Second, how well secured is it? If they put a lot of care into securing it Iíd be more reluctant to adjust. Finally, do you know what youíre doing? Can you tie a cleat hitch? If youíre not competent then thereís that.
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