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Old 11-23-2012, 06:49 AM   #41
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I want to learn something about those "marine spec" ring gears and pinions.
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Old 11-23-2012, 07:23 AM   #42
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Now, doesn't that feel better Rick. You were going blue there for a while..that can be dangerous to your health....he..he
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Old 11-23-2012, 08:13 AM   #43
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I just like learning new things and maybe I missed something about ring gears and pinions that will help my clients save money and have more dependable yachts.

I am the first to admit that I don't know everything ... but I don't hesitate to call BS when I see it and smell it.
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Old 11-23-2012, 10:25 AM   #44
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now, doesn't that feel better rick. You were going blue there for a while..that can be dangerous to your health....he..he
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:21 AM   #45
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Freezing damage is not a result of product...it's a result of methodology or lack of...
I thought the comment was in regards to using automotive parts in marine applications and my mention of the freezing damage was because it was the incident that made me aware of the insurancew companies position on non marine parts used in marine applications.

Sorry for the lack of clarification or my getting me threads confused which ever
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Old 11-23-2012, 11:24 AM   #46
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Does anyone else have the suspicion most filters are made by one manufacturer and sold under a range of brands?
This is true to a large degree with many products. Televisions, home appliances, batteries, etc. are made to different specs by a relatively few number of manufacturers. In the days of VHS tape players/recorders there were two companies on the planet that actually made them. Sony was one and I think Mitsubishi was the other but I could be mistaken on that. All the other brands were manufactured by these two companies to whatever specs were dictated by the customer company.

It is my understanding that there are two auto battery manufacturers in the US. Every battery-- Die Hard, Interstate, Les Schwab etc., etc. etc. is made by one of these two manufacturers. All that changes are the specs, case design, labels, etc.

Filters are undoubtedly the same way. I don't know how many actual manufacturers there are in this case, but there won't be nearly as many as there are brands.
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I thought the comment was in regards to using automotive parts in marine applications and my mention of the freezing damage was because it was the incident that made me aware of the insurancew companies position on non marine parts used in marine applications.

Sorry for the lack of clarification or my getting me threads confused which ever
You were clear and so was I....
Insurance companies can't deny a claim for a non marine part if it's application was OK...just like a warranty is still valid even if you don't use OEM....they have to "prove" that the part was inappropriate not just faulty.
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You were clear and so was I....
Insurance companies can't deny a claim for a non marine part if it's application was OK...just like a warranty is still valid even if you don't use OEM....they have to "prove" that the part was inappropriate not just faulty.
good to know thanks. I would have thought the burden of proof would be on the boat owner not the insurance company. .........wait a minute...how can the use of parts not intended for the application be covered if disclosed? Your saying that u can do what ever u wish and the insurance company will accept responsibility?? If thats true why are there so many foot notes on my policy of things not covered?
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good to know thanks. I would have thought the burden of proof would be on the boat owner not the insurance company. .........wait a minute...how can the use of parts not intended for the application be covered if disclosed? Your saying that u can do what ever u wish and the insurance company will accept responsibility?? If thats true why are there so many foot notes on my policy of things not covered?
That's NOT what I am saying...your misconception that everything has to be bought at West Marine is a telltale sign of your very limited boating experience and brainwashing by boating magazines...shines like an old time lighthouse...
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It is my understanding that there are two auto battery manufacturers in the US.

If that is the case, one of them is just around the corner from Fisherman's Terminal. Dyno. They will give you a good tour if you ask nicely.

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If that is the case, one of them is just around the corner from Fisherman's Terminal. Dyno. They will give you a good tour if you ask nicely.

Lead Acid Battery Manufacturers in USA

Thanks. From that link it seems the notion that there are only two battery manufacturers in the US is not accurate.
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That's NOT what I am saying...your misconception that everything has to be bought at West Marine is a telltale sign of your very limited boating experience and brainwashing by boating magazines...shines like an old time lighthouse...
I did not state that everything must be bought at west marine i simply stated that west marine was an option for the purchase of marine parts and equipment and that only marine grade parts should be used on a boat.
Yes my boating experiance is limited, as is yours, everyones. I learned many years cago that if u do a job properly the first time its not likely u will have to do it again.
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This forum is fun reading. We have a guy who posts he can't find what he needs at Lowes. In fact he drives 30 miles to not find what he needs, but instead finds it at a Napa. Ok fine. Then it morphs into 4 pages the usual bickering. Here's my contribution, McMaster-Carr.

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I did not state that everything must be bought at west marine i simply stated that west marine was an option for the purchase of marine parts and equipment and that only marine grade parts should be used on a boat.
Yes my boating experiance is limited, as is yours, everyones. I learned many years cago that if u do a job properly the first time its not likely u will have to do it again.
That's why sometime I DON"T use marine stuff as it is not up to the task.

or....sometimes... is so overpriced it's out of reach so I'll make do with something lesser and install it as bulletproof as possible.
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This forum is fun reading. We have a guy who posts he can't find what he needs at Lowes. In fact he drives 30 miles to not find what he needs, but instead finds it at a Napa. Ok fine. Then it morphs into 4 pages the usual bickering. Here's my contribution, McMaster-Carr.

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Good Point! That's OK, in a few weeks another thread will get started in which non marine is a BAD thing Personally, I see the construction/ industrial industry mostly running Baldwin or Wix/ Napa. And these applications are generally much more demanding than our marine applications. So for me, those suppliers are adequate.
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That's why sometime I DON"T use marine stuff as it is not up to the task.

or....sometimes... is so overpriced it's out of reach so I'll make do with something lesser and install it as bulletproof as possible.
I used to do that when a kid and then when i started seeing the result of automotive electrical, fuel system and engine components used in marine applications i learned to bite the bullet and just pay the price for parts designed to live long lives in a marine environment. If you live at the dock it really dosent matter as long as when you sell your boat you make full disclosure so the new owner dosent loose his life because of your non marine repair work.
Looks nice is not good enough when your life may depend upon it?

chuckle.....i can just see u in heavy seas with a sudden loss of power because of a walmart part thinking of all the money you saved as the noise of the crashing breakers grows louder.

I'm not trying to be confortational just trying to help others avoid property damage or catastrophic loss. If u break down in your car u just get out and walk or wait for a tow. In the sea its likely u will be visiting Davey Jones before help arrives if any is available. A walmart part is like playing russian roulette if offshore or at the bar.
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I used to do that when a kid and then when i started seeing the result of automotive electrical, fuel system and engine components used in marine applications i learned to bite the bullet and just pay the price for parts designed to live long lives in a marine environment. If you live at the dock it really dosent matter as long as when you sell your boat you make full disclosure so the new owner dosent loose his life because of your non marine repair work.
Looks nice is not good enough when your life may depend upon it?

chuckle.....i can just see u in heavy seas with a sudden loss of power because of a walmart part thinking of all the money you saved as the noise of the crashing breakers grows louder.

I'm not trying to be confortational just trying to help others avoid property damage or catastrophic loss. If u break down in your car u just get out and walk or wait for a tow. In the sea its likely u will be visiting Davey Jones before help arrives if any is available. A walmart part is like playing russian roulette if offshore or at the bar.
If you only knew my background...the chuckle is on you....

Like I posted the other day...I'm not the only one posting the "non-marine" theme here...you seem to have a "target fixation" problem about a few things...
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If you only knew my background...the chuckle is on you....

Like I posted the other day...I'm not the only one posting the "non-marine" theme here...you seem to have a "target fixation" problem about a few things...
Nor you mine

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Baldwin and Racor here.

I know them and trust them. The oil is the life blood of an engine and I feel is cheap insurance to protect that very expensive piece of equipment. I have been around equipment all my life. You may never know that a cheap filter has caused the demise of your engine. Why take the chance?
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Again...I don't think anyone here would remotely suggest a cheap filter...just not necessarily one that's 2x the cost at a Marine store or a hard to get OEM filter.
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