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Old 12-02-2019, 05:54 AM   #21
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Speed to get unstuck is important .The tide could be droping.

A nice setup is to already have (2) used 2 speed sailboat winches already mounted on the stern quarter.
They are a delight in many docking situations .

An anchor you can easily load into your easy/fast to deploy dink that can be rowed out quickly is usually best bet.

A constant strain on the line helps .

In ICW waters many boats can be unstuck quickly , by simply asking a larger boat to pass at speed and create a nice wake.
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Old 12-02-2019, 07:47 AM   #22
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I second focusing on not running aground.

Lot less equipment, planning and stress by staying clear of shallows and rocks.

And with today's chartplotter and other electronics, there's really no excuse for going aground. Inattention or carelessness is the usual culprit.
Inattention is what got me last year in South Carolina. Just a few seconds and the 30 mph wind on the beam pushed me out of the channel. I caught my drift but it was too late to recover. Kedging was not an option. Deploying an 88# anchor on 3/8 inch chain in a dinghy in a 30 mph wind, well, not for me. Called the tow boat. Off the shoal in 10 minutes. To hell with kedging.
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Ever notice how jeep owners insist on putting the wench on the forward bumper? I guess they want to pull themselves further into the problem. SHRUG Their choice.

I agree with the recommendation to have a reasonable current copy of Chapman's book.
If nothing else, it will give you something to read while waiting for the tide to rise or a boater willing to help
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A smart operator knows how to rig snatch blocks to assist in whatever direction you need to go.
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A smart operator knows how to rig snatch blocks to assist in whatever direction you need to go.
and a convient big tree to chain the block to also.
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Ever notice how jeep owners insist on putting the wench on the forward bumper? I guess they want to pull themselves further into the problem. SHRUG Their choice.
A trip or two into the real backwoods, mudholes or desert 4 wheeling will quickly show you why the winch is on the front.
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A trip or two into the real backwoods, mudholes or desert 4 wheeling will quickly show you why the winch is on the front.
LOL That's it, pull yourself deeper into trouble.
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and a convient big tree to chain the block to also.

Not necessarily, real mudders/outbackers carry stakes or anchors if trees/rocks aren't available


Gotta be as smart or smarter than your equipment.


Often, smart offroaders know it only takes a little pulling to get themselves out....more than much of the time.... the winch is to pull others out.
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Thank you for the serieious replies...

After further thought and discussion, another possability is to:

a. set the kedge
b. set up a sling and carabiner on the stern to redirect and reduce the davit/boom pull angle

I like the idea of using the windlass if there's time to tie off the anchor...remove the chain from the gypse...and set up all the lines that are not 3-stranded NYLON which have an excessive stretch and dangerous snap back action.

Question using the windlass with a 48 LOA and attaching to the kedge line with a bowline adding another few feet, I should have a 50-100' line that is either polypropylene or double braded nylon...is that correct?

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I would think there would be a considerable risk of bending your rudder, shaft or prop support thingies ( the name escapes me at the moment ) Would a better approach be a set of sturdy timbers or airbags to support the boat until the next high tide ??
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Pull hard enough and double braid will have a slingshot effect too...scared myself plenty of times using even 1 inch double braided towlines on the assistance towboat.


Pull straight ahead (I don't usually recommend pulling astern for several reasons) and it's not as prone to bending stuff as twisting (the worst) or pulling astern.
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To answer the OP's question, and speaking as a former ocean-going salvage ship captain, for remote cruising with no immediate help available, I would carry a multi-part tackle, a snatch block or two, a large Fortress or two, and a big come-along. Some sort of non-stretchy high-tech line (Dynema??) for the tackle would be a big space saver. As previously discussed, use the anchor windlass in combination with the tackle to get all the tension possible there and then add what you can with the come-along to a second anchor while awaiting high tide to use ship engine if possible. Pleasure vessels not being built to withstand these sorts of pull, I would go over the possible attaching points with somebody who knows what they are doing before just tugging away. We were equipped to weld padeyes and such all over the place on our own or another vessel, but you can't do that to a rec vessel.
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Captain Gano,

Thank you the excellent post.

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I would think there would be a considerable risk of bending your rudder, shaft or prop support thingies ( the name escapes me at the moment ) Would a better approach be a set of sturdy timbers or airbags to support the boat until the next high tide ??
I have to laugh because the older I get, the more "thingies" I have on my boat.
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Thank you the excellent post.

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Amazingly, there was a Fisheries Officer in the bay who told him to start his engine, put it into reverse, and slowly increase the throttle. What ended up happening was the propeller wash along the hull dug a trench that the boat could sit in. Turns out the boat returned to level floating in its self made trench and he walked around his boat to take pictures at low tide. High tide lifted him to freedom.
Fisheries folks don't want to know where you have "Wheel dredged" as that can amount to a "harmful alteration of fish habitat" and can get you in Big Trouble.

Useful in your bag of tricks all the same.
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Fisheries folks don't want to know where you have "Wheel dredged" as that can amount to a "harmful alteration of fish habitat" and can get you in Big Trouble.

Useful in your bag of tricks all the same.
and the boat owner's other option was? Hang around for the high tide and hope no further damage occurred to his boat, the environment, and those on board?

Remember, he was doing this under the recommendations and guidance of a Fisher official.
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I definitely recall quite vividly being on the transom of a RN minesweeper when a deployed sweep cable snapped. You do not want to be anywhere close!!
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I definitely recall quite vividly being on the transom of a RN minesweeper when a deployed sweep cable snapped. You do not want to be anywhere close!!
Oh yea, next state over.
Glad you survived.
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Ever notice how jeep owners insist on putting the wench on the forward bumper? I guess they want to pull themselves further into the problem. SHRUG Their choice.
Written like someone that's never been off-roading.

Unlike a boat, you can run your winch cable under the vehicle. Or along-side and back using snatch blocks. Secondly, it's bad form to ever go recreational off-roading alone, for any number of reasons, least of which is getting stuck. But if you do, having someone else along will likely double the amount of rescue hardware you might have on-hand.

So, really, maybe stick with what you know next time?

As for kedging, you do want to be mindful of your running gear. On a boat with a full keel you're probably less likely to have issues. I'd worry about the rudder. But with straight shafts and twins you're asking for trouble with twisting a prop strut and/or bending a shaft (and then causing shaft bearing troubles, if not more).

I had this happen some years ago with an express boat. We were stuck pretty well in thick mud and the effort necessary to extract us put enough strain on the running gear to bend things a bit. Nothing broke but I could tell there was just enough vibration to warrant getting it fixed before further damage would result. As a result I'm much more mindful to avoid unknown waters, especially at high tides. At least with a low tide you've got hope of a rising tide helping the process.
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