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Old 02-04-2016, 02:21 PM   #61
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Have to laugh. The marina where I was hauled out on Monday, has a wireless remote for there 75 ton travel lift. The remote stopped working as they were moving my boat across the yard. There is a reason all the controls on the remote are on the travel lift in a manual version. Wireless remotes in critical applications will be deemed reliable when there are no manual controls on the unit or a second wireless control.

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I am a little slow to respond but we should all know there is no 100% reliability of electronic or mechanical devises. The wireless unit I use only works is slow speed for docking and if it loses a battery(there is ample warning of low power) it stops and you use the primary helm. These units do not replace the helm they augment it. Not much different than if your bow thruster stops working. How many boats have rammed docks and other boats using failed mechanical linkage?
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:05 PM   #62
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Sounds like you compromised stateroom for engine room....
Not in vertical space in the stateroom, but in square footage for sure. The engines are under the salon, so the stateroom vertical space was a compromise of the location of the pilothouse. Still, if I had a magic wand, I would increase the stateroom size (both height and overall square feet) for sure.

Over the bed it is about 5.5' (from the floor) and 3.5' from top of mattress. the walk-around part is about 6.5' all the way around the bed.

Below is a bad picture that doesn't show anything about what I am talking about. (In the second pic, the stateroom is directly below the pilothouse and first door on the left down the hall)
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:07 PM   #63
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I'll be perfectly honest with you guys. When we first looked at this boat, I never thought we would use the galley seating, but since Day 1, we use it almost exclusively and rarely use the salon sofa. Go figure.... But the view is much better up there.
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Old 02-04-2016, 03:31 PM   #64
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I'll be perfectly honest with you guys. When we first looked at this boat, I never thought we would use the galley seating, but since Day 1, we use it almost exclusively and rarely use the salon sofa. Go figure.... But the view is much better up there.
We use different seating depending on the time and circumstances. If we're underway, we all like to see where we're going. If we're relaxing at night or watching television, then it's the salon. As long as the weather allows we like to sit on the bridge but we either get quiet or come inside at dark or 9:00 PM, whichever comes first, so as not to disturb others.
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I run our Europa 60/40 up on the fly bridge. 99% of the docking from there. I do not like the starboard orientation of the helm while docking. I was at the boat show last weekend and found my dream boat the 65' Fleming. This boat has a salon that is not choppy and a pilothouse comfortable for a crowd. But most importantly it still has an entertainment sized fly bridge. They wanted 4.1 million. I offered our boat + 25k. They countered at 4m so I offered them our dinghy also and one of my children and then the price actually went up

For entertaining and my wife happiness we have been happiest with the Europa floor plan.
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Old 02-04-2016, 06:24 PM   #66
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One of the things builders(not of trawlers) like about IPS and other Pod drive systems is the freedom to rework the living spaces. There is a company working on a 200HP OB engine capable of high torque aimed at commercial use, so what about a trawler with the engine room on the swim platform? Why my boat could have had two more sleeping compartments.
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One of the things builders(not of trawlers) like about IPS and other Pod drive systems is the freedom to rework the living spaces. There is a company working on a 200HP OB engine capable of high torque aimed at commercial use, so what about a trawler with the engine room on the swim platform? Why my boat could have had two more sleeping compartments.
Definitely. I brought this concept up recently. Rosborough offers outboard models. Just need to go bigger.
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Working on outboards in the water isn't always fun.
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Working on outboards in the water isn't always fun.
Is it ever fun?

Some boats do have decent access at least but others make it nearly impossible to get to on top of any waves.
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Working on outboards in the water isn't always fun.
Do you think these 45 footers with three OBs on the stern have taken that into consideration(redundancy)? Nah they just want to go fast.
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Do you think these 45 footers with three OBs on the stern have taken that into consideration(redundancy)? Nah they just want to go fast.
Have you actually seen them sprawled over the unhooded motors?


I have responded to 3 motor vessels as well as many 2 engine vessels for assistance or towing..


Anyone that thinks twins or trips make them invincible....good luck!!!!


And as usual...there is always PM....
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Is it ever fun?

Some boats do have decent access at least but others make it nearly impossible to get to on top of any waves.
Few if any...just the nature of the beast unless you have an inboard OB well.
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I just cannot imagine a large trawler or cruising type boat using outboards.

It's not that I'm against outboards, I own several of them, I just think that a well designed boat, suitable for more than a weekend outing can be designed with a out of the elements engine room in a area not otherwise needed for living.

My boat's engine space is approx 44" high. Not great but not bad once you remove the salon hatches. That area is not deep enough for a berth, and I have three staterooms already, so what other use could the space be???

Then there's the fact that those engines add approx 3,000 pounds of ballast weight down low, something to think of stability wise.

Also, you think working on your diesel is a PITA, just wait till you've got 300 horsepower scrunched into something the size of a good suitcase. Then hang it over the back of your boat, in the elements, waves, etc...

Nope, I'll keep my engine room if you please.
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But if you blow up the outboard you can just replace it for about 20k without much labor costs.

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Where big OB diesels may find use is in some of the fishing fleets where real hours are put on a boat and down time is costly. An ill OB can be swapped out for a loner in hours while serious trouble with an inboard can blow a restricted season.
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One of the things builders(not of trawlers) like about IPS and other Pod drive systems is the freedom to rework the living spaces. There is a company working on a 200HP OB engine capable of high torque aimed at commercial use, so what about a trawler with the engine room on the swim platform? Why my boat could have had two more sleeping compartments.

Actually I have been aboard a 60 ft or so motor sailor that had the ER in the bow.

She had 2 circumnavigations (then) with only great results.

As diesels now weigh less than half of the DD 6-71 it becomes practical for even smaller boats.

Narrow space , narrow engine with some folks dream "standing headroom" , easily done.
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One of the things builders(not of trawlers) like about IPS and other Pod drive systems is the freedom to rework the living spaces.

Yes.

Although it seems many of the earlier builders didn't really do that. Some just offered IPS or Zeus drives as an option, without relocating engines, without reclaiming newly-available space that could then be used for some other purpose.

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Yes.

Although it seems many of the earlier builders didn't really do that. Some just offered IPS or Zeus drives as an option, without relocating engines, without reclaiming newly-available space that could then be used for some other purpose.

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As someone pointed out above too, while space is created, sometimes it's not all that usable or at least not for additional staterooms. And as to your example, the boat we have ordered comes with twin IPS 1200's (900 hp), or with twin MAN 1000's or 1200's. The layout of the boat in general is the same. The bulkheads fore and aft of the ER are in the exact same places. The only significant difference is in the ER area and more of that gain is attributable to the smaller fuel tanks with the IPS than to the drives. Where you see the difference is a boat designed from the start to be an IPS or Zues boat. Sabre, Delta Powerboats, some Princess models, Sessa, and a few other brands are, but most are not.
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On my daily searches and dreaming I was interested in the Pearson on another topic mainly because of the single level salon and master suite areas. I also came across a mid eighties Chris Craft Yacht Home. Similar configuration with V-drives, most have gas engines. For someone with bad knees and back I like most of the important areas being on 1 level. Any thoughts on the Yacht Home? Chris Craft construction in general?
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On my daily searches and dreaming I was interested in the Pearson on another topic mainly because of the single level salon and master suite areas. I also came across a mid eighties Chris Craft Yacht Home. Similar configuration with V-drives, most have gas engines. For someone with bad knees and back I like most of the important areas being on 1 level. Any thoughts on the Yacht Home? Chris Craft construction in general?
Pictures? Year?? CC made some rugged, comfortable boats - back when. CC Yacht Home is their late 20th century rendition of up-town houseboat, I believe. Yes, they were constructed well.
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