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Old 04-12-2014, 09:14 PM   #1
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Interesting vessel

This vessel, the Qwest, is currently tied up at Cap Sante marina in Anacortes, WA. I haven't seen this boat before and wonder if anyone knows anything about it. I will keep my eyes open for the owner, but so far I haven't seen anyone aboard.

It has a get home engine configuration I haven't seen. The main wheel is where it should be - single screw between keel and rudder. But the get home shaft runs underneath the rudder and comes out the back end of whatever the heck you call the flat plate that the lower rudder pintle goes into that extends back from the keel. You know, the rudder thingie. Anyway, it also has an athwartships prop that I assume acts as a stern thruster, although it just sticks out there so I wonder about drag.

Note the paravanes and how far back they are. I wonder if they work as well in that position, as I understand the optimal point is usually just aft of the center of gravity of the vessel.

This is a very cool looking boat I would like to know more about if anyone is familiar with it. Wood? I couldn't tell. Has a serious hook - 350 # Forfjord and a deck mounted hydraulic winch. The foredeck doesn't have much in the way of bulkwarks, which is unfortunate as I think it might be pretty wet in a seaway.
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Is this the boat? If so, that second prop they call a feathering prop and looks hydraulic driven. Agree that this is a very interesting boat. Apparently could be yours for just under 400K

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OK, where's the boat. Did I miss something? Gotta link?
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OK, where's the boat. Did I miss something? Gotta link?
Seems to be there now.
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Bill Garden design. Been for sale for a while now. Wonder if someone finally bought her.

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Bill Garden design. Been for sale for a while now.

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Thank you. Appears to be sold.
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Oh boy,
I love this thread. Not enough interesting boats.

Wonderful boat. I see the flopper stoppers are far aft. One would think there'd be a lot of strain on the flopper rigging w a big following sea picking up the stern. Yes I read that the FS are best just aft of amidships.

Re the get home I think you're talking about the "shoe" Delfin. Dosn't sound like an easy thing to do.

Love the abbreviated flying bridge.
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The vessel was written up in PMM about 7 years ago. As I recall it has an offset drive line with the prop shaft driven by a pinion block sheave arrangement . Bill Garden has done some innovative things. I'm sure Tad Roberts knows the vessel well, it is a BC icon designed for heavy weather and passage making.
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Here's an interesting pocket ship I saw on our dock today.
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She has a quite a few big boat features.


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I think I remember in Beebes' VUP that optimal paravane placement is 28% of lwl from stern.
I'm sure that if William Garden designed the paravane system, it is correct for the vsl.
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Greetings,
Mr. D. Interesting indeed until I looked it up. Creative wording "...fibreglass boat is lined with a 2`` red cedar inner hull...". Hmmm...That's description for a wooden boat covered in FRP IMO. I think there was another thread discussing the pros and cons of this option.
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Greetings,
Mr. D. Interesting indeed until I looked it up. Creative wording "...fibreglass boat is lined with a 2`` red cedar inner hull...". Hmmm...That's description for a wooden boat covered in FRP IMO. I think there was another thread discussing the pros and cons of this option.
yes but if the fiberglass was heavy enough the wood could be considered left in place forms
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Rt, I think your right about creative wording. I didn't catch that.
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Mr. m. Correct. That IS one way to look at it sort of like a house is a coat of paint with plaster and wood underneath.
For the life of me I can't remember/find the thread dealing with the subject of glassing over FRP. There was one technique mentioned (someone's name) that evidently had good results and it may well be so but I've seen way too many wooden boats encapsulated with negative effects. Nope, not for me. Maybe in a salt water environment they'd do better but still...
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Interesting vessel

[QUOTE=RT Firefly;226730 I've seen way too many wooden boats encapsulated with negative effects. Nope, not for me. Maybe in a salt water environment they'd do better but still...[/QUOTE]


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Mr. D. Interesting indeed until I looked it up. Creative wording "...fibreglass boat is lined with a 2`` red cedar inner hull...". Hmmm...That's description for a wooden boat covered in FRP IMO. I think there was another thread discussing the pros and cons of this option.
That's not the technique used here. From the link provided, they built a male mold out of cedar, laid up 1/4" of glass over that, then drilled 7,600 holes and used stainless clincher nails to secure the cedar to the glass, then laid up glass to 1" - 2" (I recall) over the hull, then faired it.

Essentially, it sounds like a very labor intensive way of building a standard fiberglass hull from a male mold instead of female, then lining it with cedar. Not the concept of putting a glass skin over a wooden boat at all. My Cape George was a fiberglass hull with balsa parque glued on to the inside, then glassed over. In Quest's case they used the clincher nails to hold the liner, not a thin layer of glass, but it is the same concept. Should make for a very quiet hull of ridiculous strength, since back when they build this, they didn't know how thick to make the hull, so they made them real thick.
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Mr. D. Thanks for the clarification.
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Alan Vaitses was a pioneer in covering large wood boats with polyester resin and various mats and cloths. He owned a boatyard in Mattapoiset, Mass. Started in the 1960's and authored several books on the subject. Vaitses method would mechanically fasten the glass to the wood while it was still "green"(uncured), much like this boat. Apparently he useed staples iirc.
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I had an extremely interesting boat that was somewhat similar.

She was built of Douglas Fir strip planked up-side-down. The planking was initially fastened to the many forms that resembled bulkheads. Once planked it was turned over completely covered w FG on the inside. So it was a sandwich composite boat. Extremely stiff and strong.

This boat (Sumnercraft) had some wonderful design features (80% of the engine was INSIDE the keel) and I really liked the boat. I owned the Sumnercraft 29' Express and Willy at the same time about 10 years ago. When we moved to Alaska I had to choose between the two and was afraid of the wood in the sandwich construction.

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Mr. Hendo. With reference to my post #14. The ONLY wooden vessels I've seen that were glassed over wood were done IMO as a last ditch effort to get a few more years out of them as they were well past their "best before date". I was totally unfamiliar with the building technique described by Mr. D. A vessel built in such a fashion would indeed be quite stout.
Now, that brings us to AXE. An aged wooden craft to be sure BUT you're applying what I can best describe as the "Hendo Machination" an oft whispered about but seldom witnessed magical transformation/transmutation technique only hinted at in the recently translated papyrus scrolls of ancient Egypt. Aye, verily. Let it be known I would not hesitate to step aboard if I'm ever in the vicinity. You'll be fair dinkum fine mate.
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