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Old 10-29-2014, 08:43 PM   #961
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I like it Murray, but it needs more fuel capacity to be truly long range.
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Old 10-29-2014, 08:45 PM   #962
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Wow. That's about $64 per hour. ... But then I'm not a million-dollar boater.
Yeah - But, we only cruise that fast if desired or when occasionally needed. Usually we lope at mellow cruise speed. 16/17 knots is FUN though! 22/23 knots at WOT is a kick too! Get out of trouble fast at that speed...
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Old 10-29-2014, 11:25 PM   #963
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Wow. That's about $64 per hour. ... But then I'm not a million-dollar boater.
The Sea Ray we had burnt 30 gph @ 19mph (everything on the river was miles not knots) @ $4.00 per gal = $ 120.00 hour.. @ .60mpg! the trawler cat sips fuel for it's size and speed, about the same as a N46 @ 7.5 kts.

The Trawler cat is huge 47'.. its a LOT of boat to move

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Old 10-29-2014, 11:48 PM   #964
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It's all relative
Yes, relative to our incomes and priorities. As it is, I'm already spending more on the boat than my dirt home. (Happy, happy, joy, joy.)
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Old 10-30-2014, 12:20 AM   #965
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Yes, relative to our incomes and priorities. As it is, I'm already spending more on the boat than my dirt home. (Happy, happy, joy, joy.)
Mark - Boats are not actually an expense.... but rather... they can be deemed as recompense.

Every enjoyed minute aboard helps repay us for times we can only wish we were then aboard while drudging through tasks not desired to be partaken.

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At our local boatyard today:

A fairly lengthy GB Eastbay. Looks sort of like those ubiquitous Sabre types with ho-hum blue topsides.

A trawler yacht (dunno what make?) Again, those topsides!

A recently built Peter Kass wood Lobster Yacht. With proper color topsides.

A wooden fishing trawler. No comment on the color.
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Old 10-31-2014, 07:13 AM   #967
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At our local boatyard today:

A fairly lengthy GB Eastbay. Looks sort of like those ubiquitous Sabre types with ho-hum blue topsides.

A trawler yacht (dunno what make?) Again, those topsides!

A recently built Peter Kass wood Lobster Yacht. With proper color topsides.

A wooden fishing trawler. No comment on the color.
I think this trawler is an early 'S&S ' 51' ( sparkman and Stevens)

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Length Overall 16,24 metres
Hull Length 14,58 metres
Width (Max Beam) 5,23 metres
Draft 1,5 metres
Displacement 36 tonnes
Cruising Speed 7 knots
Maximum Speed 9,5 knots
Fuel Tank Capacity 5300 litres
Water Tank Capacity 1140 litres
Cruising Range 5000 Nautic Miles
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Old 10-31-2014, 08:19 AM   #968
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I think this trawler is an early 'S&S ' 51' ( sparkman and Stevens)
Tis. You can see the Sea Spirit name on the boat.

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Tis. You can see the Sea Spirit name on the boat.

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I believe the 51' S&S was one of the most expensive 50' boats ever built, hence only a few were ever constructed.

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A recently built Peter Kass wood Lobster Yacht. With proper color topsides.
That's (or was) Julie Ann, a 40' x 12'8" John's Bay Lobsteryacht I drew almost 15 years ago. I think her top speed was about 22 knots with a 400 HP Cummins.

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That's (or was) Julie Ann, a 40' x 12'8" John's Bay Lobsteryacht I drew almost 15 years ago. I think her top speed was about 22 knots with a 400 HP Cummins.

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Hi Tad

Thanks for link. I'm usually not attracted to "monster sized" boats... But, the Express 92 modified/updated old-school design is simply Way Too Cool!

http://www.tadroberts.ca/services/ne...ower/express92

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Thanks for link. I'm usually not attracted to "monster sized" boats... But, the Express 92 modified/updated old-school design is simply Way Too Cool!

Express 92, cold-molded retro-styled express commuter ~ Power Boat Designs by Tad Roberts

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Good God.....can you imagine the presence that such a huge, wonderfully styled yacht would have entering the harbor.
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That's (or was) Julie Ann, a 40' x 12'8" John's Bay Lobsteryacht I drew almost 15 years ago. I think her top speed was about 22 knots with a 400 HP Cummins.

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Her name now is MINKIE. Thought she was a recent build for her Brooklin, ME, owner but perhaps not. In any case, she is a beautiful boat.
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Thanks for link. I'm usually not attracted to "monster sized" boats... But, the Express 92 modified/updated old-school design is simply Way Too Cool!

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Thank you Art.

I first drew the 92' as a development of Liberty, creating what I thought was a more comfortable interior and plenty of exterior places to be as well. Some influence came from the big Luders express Bengal . While the first concept was done on spec, a client appeared to do considerable development, then he dropped the project. A couple of years later he re-appeared and by then the 92' was looking really antique. So it morphed into an updated 94' with triple waterjet power.

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Tad-beautiful designs. The forward cockpit a little takeoff from Tom Fexas and the Midnight Lace? I always thought that was a pretty cool idea.
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I first drew the 92' as a development of Liberty, creating what I thought was a more comfortable interior and plenty of exterior places to be as well. Some influence came from the big Luders express Bengal . While the first concept was done on spec, a client appeared to do considerable development, then he dropped the project. A couple of years later he re-appeared and by then the 92' was looking really antique. So it morphed into an updated 94' with triple waterjet power.

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Tad, Both Designs are Simply Beautiful!

Back when (50's / 60's) dad had drafting table where he drew boat designs. I would assist. That sleek look, while retaining classic style, was one of his (our) trademarks. None were the size of your 90 + footers; we stayed in 35' to 45' range. As time moved on and dad retired from engineering at Grumman he eventually moved into being lead purchasing agent for a boat builder. I worked there for a short while in late teens. His boat design foray never got too far and I did not pursue it either. He (we) did design one heck of a successful ambient-flow under hull stabilizer that I plan to further design upon and again use in the future. We used our prototype stabilizer with great results off New England coast for many successful cruising years!

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Tad-beautiful designs. The forward cockpit a little takeoff from Tom Fexas and the Midnight Lace? I always thought that was a pretty cool idea.
Well, Tom and I got the idea (there is nothing new in yacht design) from the same place....Long Island Commuters of the 20's and 30's. The forward cockpit on Liberty is the very best place on the boat. You're actually forward of the bow wash (just air under you) and about 75' from the exhaust outlets, it's quiet but a bit windy.....
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Tad, Both Designs are Simply Beautiful!

Back when (50's / 60's) dad had drafting table where he drew boat designs. I would assist. That sleek look, while retaining classic style, was one of his (our) trademarks. None were the size of your 90 + footers; we stayed in 35' to 45' range. As time moved on and dad retired from engineering at Grumman he eventually moved into being lead purchasing agent for a boat builder. I worked there for a short while in late teens. His boat design foray never got too far and I did not pursue it either. He (we) did design one heck of a successful ambient-flow under hull stabilizer that I plan to further design upon and again use in the future. We used our prototype stabilizer with great results off New England coast for many successful cruising years!

Happy Boat-Design Daze! - Art
In 1959-60 my old friend, yacht designer Robert "Bob" Harris worked at Grumman on Long Island. He did lines work on the wings of the S2F airplane and then worked on an 60' experimental hydrofoil for the US Navy, called the Dennison(?). Perhaps he worked in engineering with your Dad? At the end of that project he left Grumman to work with Bob Derecktor in Mamaronneck, New York. Bob Harris is the designer of the Hershine and early Jefferson Motor Yachts, among many other boats.
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Her name now is MINKIE. Thought she was a recent build for her Brooklin, ME, owner but perhaps not. In any case, she is a beautiful boat.
I think launched in 2002? Her first owner was a retired doctor who lived in Pemiquid, he built a shed on his property and kept her inside most of the time....Nonetheless Pete builds a good boat that can stay out in the weather year-in-year-out, and look good doing it......
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In 1959-60 my old friend, yacht designer Robert "Bob" Harris worked at Grumman on Long Island. He did lines work on the wings of the S2F airplane and then worked on an 60' experimental hydrofoil for the US Navy, called the Dennison(?). Perhaps he worked in engineering with your Dad? At the end of that project he left Grumman to work with Bob Derecktor in Mamaronneck, New York. Bob Harris is the designer of the Hershine and early Jefferson Motor Yachts, among many other boats.
Think I recall his name?? Dad was on Grumman's LEM project. He helped design the first landing gears for moon landing. I often watched him design at home on that too.
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