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Old 08-27-2016, 12:18 PM   #3681
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Rustybarge wrote;
"It appears that even the super rich are concerned about fuel consumption"

Rusty I don't think they are. The rich buy what's popular ... like others. I've seen many "rich" people buy the (green but not economy) car Prius. They need the economy like a hole in their boat but if it's vouge most people buy. It's hard to imagine that the TF people that talk about fuel consumption are short on fuel buying power but it's vouge to appear to be.

Re the boat you posted, unlike a lot of "boats" that get put on here this one is truly interesting. I think I've seen some of the other boats you speak of. NA have trends and vouge designs mostly out of necessity. A NA is a great creator but also an extension of the buyers wishes. And the customers wishes probably open doors to new ideas the NA dos'nt or didn't have. This type you speak of was born of the oil issue to a great extent I'm sure but evolved now because of another element that came along. Like the "eco" trend.
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Old 08-27-2016, 12:50 PM   #3682
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Rustybarge wrote;
"It appears that even the super rich are concerned about fuel consumption"

Rusty I don't think they are. The rich buy what's popular ... like others. I've seen many "rich" people buy the (green but not economy) car Prius. They need the economy like a hole in their boat but if it's vouge most people buy. It's hard to imagine that the TF people that talk about fuel consumption are short on fuel buying power but it's vouge to appear to be.

Re the boat you posted, unlike a lot of "boats" that get put on here this one is truly interesting. I think I've seen some of the other boats you speak of. NA have trends and vouge designs mostly out of necessity. A NA is a great creator but also an extension of the buyers wishes. And the customers wishes probably open doors to new ideas the NA dos'nt or didn't have. This type you speak of was born of the oil issue to a great extent I'm sure but evolved now because of another element that came along. Like the "eco" trend.
Here's the Wally Ace ' fast displacement' ...





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Old 08-27-2016, 01:10 PM   #3683
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I always felt Steve Jobs yacht Venus borrowed heavily from Wally Yachts for exterior design cues.

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Old 08-27-2016, 01:15 PM   #3684
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I always felt Steve Jobs yacht Venus borrowed heavily from Wally Yachts for exterior design cues.

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I think Venus is stretched one step too far, the proportions are all wrong, IMO of course....
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Old 08-27-2016, 01:21 PM   #3685
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Interesting boats

I agree but Venus and A are IMO the only two large yachts that anyone had the guts to separate themselves from the herd design wise in decades. Making them both quite interesting by definition.

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Old 08-27-2016, 01:25 PM   #3686
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I agree but Venus and A are IMO the only two large yachts that anyone had the guts to separate themselves from the herd design wise in decades. Making them both quite interesting by definition.

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'A' should be renamed ' Surface Sub 101' ...lol.
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Old 08-27-2016, 01:32 PM   #3687
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Looks like a fast attack Navy ship
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Old 08-27-2016, 01:34 PM   #3688
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Dashew FPB's are another design that borrowed cues from the early Wallycraft too.

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Old 08-27-2016, 03:43 PM   #3689
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I always thought they got their "design" from a wedge of cheese

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Old 09-07-2016, 06:07 PM   #3690
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70-year-old ferry that used to be crammed with 150 passengers is now a cosy houseboat | Daily Mail Online

$145K (US) seems just a bit steep to me BUT it does have a saloon...
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$145k (us) seems just a bit steep to me but it does have a saloon...
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Esthetics in boat design is extremely personal. I know what I like and it may not be what the next person likes. Like art. My tastes run to what I consider to be the pleasing lines of the traditional. Build or buy what you like, especially if you can afford to do so and not worry about being able to sell it down the line.
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:10 PM   #3693
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Old 09-07-2016, 07:11 PM   #3694
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David there are many variables in art that are considered good and/or bad. For example a subject in a picture that appears to be moving should be not centered but placed a little in the opposite direction the object is moving. Like a boat moving to the right would be placed a bit to the left. I have heard "to give it room to go". And there is much to learn about compatability of lines, colors, type of shapes, composition ect.

So the old saying "in the eye of the beholder" is not true. Personal taste only indicates if a specific person likes the creation. Whether it is good style, art or whatever will be based on the elements of art and design. Not just any old person's likes or dislikes. But many times the elements of art and design are neutral. So often likes and dislikes are as valid as the opinions of experts. But I only have a minor in art.
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Old 09-07-2016, 10:23 PM   #3695
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I agree but Venus and A are IMO the only two large yachts that anyone had the guts to separate themselves from the herd design wise in decades. Making them both quite interesting by definition.

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Those two boats where designed by the same guy, and now a third one,.... the very ugly sailing Yacht "A"


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I have been trying to make some sense of this Russian owner, but I can't really come up with anything but that he is caught up in this 'Mine's Bigger' frame of mind.
I don't see where he has any interest or knowledge of boats in his background. It appears as thought he doesn't even entertain onboard to any extent,...why own a vessel (or 2 now) of such a huge dimensions??

His power yacht, the first "A', I believe came about as a result of the US Navy's initial work on the DD21 Arsenal Ship. Why not built a 'civilian version' of that unique design. Certainly would be a most talked about vessel around the world ! The DD21 became the SC21, and that evolved into the current Zumwalt' vessel design. (The Zumwalt class tumblehome hull is derived from that of the DD-21).





Rather interestingly, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SC-21_(United_States)
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In a separate study in 1993, two French students had been assigned the design of a Large Capacity Missile Ship, a 20,000-tonner with 500 VLS cells filled with land-attack missiles.[11] This design was inspired by a RAND paper in that year, which suggested a land invasion could be halted by destroying 20% of its vehicles with precision munitions.[12] This would take several days with aircraft, but a surface ship with large numbers of land-attack missiles could achieve the same effect almost instantly.
So now he decides to challenge the sailing side of things. After all Tom Perkins had certainly made quite a big splash in the world with his development and subsequent building of the Maltese Falcon.

But what an extremely poor effort for someone who has supposedly had the smarts to build this huge fortune of money. I can only think that this guy has been very lucky to have made all that money, by just being at the right place and time in history,...not by his superior intellect or super tech developments, or individual achievements
He was there at the time the USSR was undergoing some big changes, and he happen to set up some banking deals for another MAJOR Russian oligarch who was already making millions. That took him into the processes that allowed him to make so much money off of the Russian natural resources,...as a few of these guys have done.

So back to his sailing vessel. Does anyone believe that this thing is really going to be able to sail? Look at the huge windage that this hull design has. And who wants to be on the upper decks or pilot house when this thing heels over? ...not me. ( I recall this similar subject came up as well during the development of Maltese Falcon).

This boat is a disaster waiting to happen.

I can only hope that the owner is never able to bring a lawsuit against the shipyard with respect to this ill-conceived design project.

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Old 09-16-2016, 10:24 AM   #3696
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Has anybody been following this blog ? I just stumbled on it a couple days ago . I like the way he is venting the old fish hold .Its just a simple maybe 4" pipe hooked to a round spinning roof vent . I was wondering if this works good and if I could rig up something on William like this maybe even two . I need some ventilation below the aft deck.
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Old 09-16-2016, 11:31 AM   #3697
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When I was in the U.K. Last month, I saw vans with a spinning vent on their roof. They stuck out a couple of inches and were 4 inches in diameter.

I don't know how effective they were but they were popular over there.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wind-Driven.../dp/B0079HPD4A


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Old 09-16-2016, 05:12 PM   #3698
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I wonder how well they would work in low wind situations? It is one thing to vent a van driving down the highway at 50mph, but for a boat at anchor with 5 knots of wind?
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Old 09-18-2016, 04:00 AM   #3699
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Was out very early yesterday morning exploring Casco Bay in the whaler and saw this aluminum gem.



That's the setting moon, not rising sun
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Old 09-18-2016, 04:03 AM   #3700
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Was out very early yesterday morning exploring Casco Bay in the whaler and saw this aluminum gem.



That's the setting moon, not rising sun



Arr the moon It dosnt look like Japan
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