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Old 06-08-2016, 09:23 AM   #3401
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There seems to be a following on these little boats.. personally I am not a fan but i thought I would post this link if someone was looking for one.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:20 AM   #3402
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Coming from Queen Mary (Transatlantique Paquebot, 1934), this aluminium (riveted) "chaloupe" (=ship's boat, life-boat?) had ctp deck+superstructure added on 1999; couple liveaboard/cruising French canals during 15 years.
- 11m x 3.6m x 0.75m draft x 2.5m height above water (25m2 livable area);
- 65hp Peugeot, only one stock-helm in cockpit;
- Water: 1000 liters / 500 liters diesel / 120 liters "red" (fuel for heating);
- Boat is for sale at 33k€, port-place (Montceau-les-Mines) is about 600€ per year (2000€ whether in Mâcon, Saône-River).
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:46 AM   #3403
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Regarding post # 3402... Looks like fun in France!


From what I know (have heard) riveted boats always end up leaking at the seams. With a boat's age, I'd imagine that water ingress would increase. Am I correct in my assumption??
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:16 AM   #3404
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Regarding post # 3402... Looks like fun in France!


From what I know (have heard) riveted boats always end up leaking at the seams. With a boat's age, I'd imagine that water ingress would increase. Am I correct in my assumption??
This Queen Mary's lifeboat may be from 1934, maximum 1967...
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:38 AM   #3405
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There seems to be a following on these little boats.. personally I am not a fan but i thought I would post this link if someone was looking for one.
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There's one in Juneau for $3500 on Craig's List. I think it's the one that sank several years ago in Haines.
H .... "not a fan" .. Why mention it?
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Old 06-09-2016, 09:41 AM   #3406
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Coming from Queen Mary (Transatlantique Paquebot, 1934), this aluminium (riveted) "chaloupe" (=ship's boat, life-boat?) had ctp deck+superstructure added on 1999; couple liveaboard/cruising French canals during 15 years.
- 11m x 3.6m x 0.75m draft x 2.5m height above water (25m2 livable area);
- 65hp Peugeot, only one stock-helm in cockpit;
- Water: 1000 liters / 500 liters diesel / 120 liters "red" (fuel for heating);
- Boat is for sale at 33k€, port-place (Montceau-les-Mines) is about 600€ per year (2000€ whether in Mâcon, Saône-River).
Small rudder? ..... Not this one.
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Old 06-09-2016, 10:02 AM   #3407
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There's one in Juneau for $3500 on Craig's List. I think it's the one that sank several years ago in Haines.
H .... "not a fan" .. Why mention it?
Because I dont think much of them.. you of all people should understand a opinion

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I guess you didn't like airplanes, since most have lots of rivets holding it all together...
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I guess you didn't like airplanes, since most have lots of rivets holding it all together...
Air and water - completely different effects if/once rivet[s] loosen just a scosh.
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Air and water - completely different effects if/once rivet[s] loosen just a scosh.
the only difference between air and water is their viscosity... both act like fluids...
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the only difference between air and water is their viscosity... both act like fluids...

True - But in conjecture we are speaking i.e.rivets leaking.

Boat leaking air while in air = no big deal... however, boat leaking water while in water = BIG Deal!
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the only difference between air and water is their viscosity... both act like fluids...
The big difference is air is compressible and water is not.
But of course they are both fluids and fluids flow around things or allow things to pass through fluids. But water passing over a curved surface has much the same effect as air passing over a curved surface.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:18 PM   #3414
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Because I dont think much of them.. you of all people should understand a opinion

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Yes I'm opinionated but perhaps it just seems that way ... because I express my opinions whereas most don't. You seem to be a doer in this regard as well.

Strange about your opinion re Willard's as you're the first person I've heard that does not like them. Most all people liking them will be helpful when I sell. Here on TF I'm surrounded by people too polite or politicaly correct to say they don't like certian boats. On occasion I do that too.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:31 PM   #3415
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Here on TF I'm surrounded by people too polite or politicaly correct to say they don't like certian boats. On occasion I do that too.

I'd go with polite because every time anyone posts that they do not like a particular boat it's normally followed by a dogpile of folks expressing righteous indignation that someone dare dislike any boat. There's several boats owned by TF members and on this thread that I dislike but choose not to comment upon.
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Craig I agree to about the 95% level. There are times when stuff just needs to be said. And there are times when critizcizing another's boat is about something that shouldn't be offensive to almost all but the most sensitive. But I'd rather have hollywood or others tell me they don't like my boat now and then. Makes me feel like I'm in a room w fairly honest guys. To be spoon fed sugar 100% of the time isn't good either. That would be like being in a room filled w politicians. Can I talk about your left ear now?
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:13 PM   #3417
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Craig I agree to about the 95% level. There are times when stuff just needs to be said. And there are times when critizcizing another's boat is about something that shouldn't be offensive to almost all but the most sensitive. But I'd rather have hollywood or others tell me they don't like my boat now and then. Makes me feel like I'm in a room w fairly honest guys. To be spoon fed sugar 100% of the time isn't good either. That would be like being in a room filled w politicians. Can I talk about your left ear now?
My inlaws have a Willard 40 that I have labeled a "bath tub toy"...
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I'd go with polite because every time anyone posts that they do not like a particular boat it's normally followed by a dogpile of folks expressing righteous indignation that someone dare dislike any boat. There's several boats owned by TF members and on this thread that I dislike but choose not to comment upon.
Marin likes next to no boats... except of course those he likes! LOL

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Craig I agree to about the 95% level. There are times when stuff just needs to be said. And there are times when critizcizing another's boat is about something that shouldn't be offensive to almost all but the most sensitive. But I'd rather have hollywood or others tell me they don't like my boat now and then. Makes me feel like I'm in a room w fairly honest guys. To be spoon fed sugar 100% of the time isn't good either. That would be like being in a room filled w politicians. Can I talk about your left ear now?
funny thing is I didn't actually criticize your boat.. I sort of think yours is cute... it's the M/S version that I am " not a fan" of.
Too often the same hull with a different house goes from a gem to a pig.. all because the designer tried to fit too much in the cube.

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True - But in conjecture we are speaking i.e.rivets leaking.

Boat leaking air while in air = no big deal... however, boat leaking water while in water = BIG Deal!
Anyone on a pressurized aircraft would disagree...

But, assume that both sealants and rivet technology has improved since the 1930's helping make riveted hardware more reliable and leak resistant.
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