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10-04-2015, 11:14 AM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,196
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
"Look at the inbd buttock lines." Hmmmm....
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You're not fooling anyone with that common American example of a keel-less Mondo-Displacement, RT. The added outer sponsons are obvious.
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Larry
"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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10-04-2015, 01:50 PM
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#2482
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Who could not notice the soft chines?
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North Western Washington State USA
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10-04-2015, 02:10 PM
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#2483
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Guru
City: Upstate,SC
Vessel Name: Shipoopi
Vessel Model: derilic sailboat
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,884
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Those soft chines make for a nice smooth rolling motion.
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What a pain in the transom.
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10-04-2015, 02:14 PM
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#2484
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Guru
City: Fort Myers, FL... Summers in the Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Slow Hand
Vessel Model: Cherubini Independence 45
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 12,834
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Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.
Ted
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I'm tired of fast moves, I've got a slow groove, on my mind.....
I want to spend some time, Not come and go in a heated rush.....
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10-04-2015, 03:04 PM
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#2485
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Guru
City: Cypress Landing Marina (NC)
Vessel Name: Heron (2)
Vessel Model: '88 Cape Dory 28 Flybridge #115
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,305
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ben2go
Those soft chines make for a nice smooth rolling motion.
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Ack!....
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10-04-2015, 03:11 PM
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#2486
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Guru
City: Upstate,SC
Vessel Name: Shipoopi
Vessel Model: derilic sailboat
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 2,884
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Heron
Ack!....
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What a pain in the transom.
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10-04-2015, 04:40 PM
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#2487
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Guru
City: Thibodaux, Louisiana
Vessel Name: Gumbo
Vessel Model: 2003 Monk 36
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,882
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I nominate the designer of that folding chair for a Nobel Prize in engineering, if that exists.
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10-04-2015, 04:52 PM
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#2488
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,798
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That deep draft butt is stress testing that seat, I agree that the designer should be commended.
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10-04-2015, 05:54 PM
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#2489
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Guru
City: Beverly Hills
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 1,371
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The Admiral would like the ship because he broke the conventional mold as CNO. Hopefully once they are commissioned they will prove there worth.
BZ Admiral Zumwalt where ever your at.
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10-04-2015, 10:03 PM
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#2490
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,378
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.
Ted
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I would rather try to get her into a slip than out of one!
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10-05-2015, 06:59 AM
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#2491
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Guru
City: Hailing Port: Charleston, SC
Vessel Name: Moonstruck
Vessel Model: Sabre 42 Hardtop Express
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 8,276
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Full displacement for sure. Definitely not built for speed.
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10-05-2015, 07:19 AM
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#2492
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Talk about thread creep! Fat Boats have segued into Fat Butts. Just because both these words start with "B" and sound somewhat similar does not justification make.
Personally, I greatly prefer shapely boats and butts! Each being able to either cruse slowly or to reach planning speed at a moment's notice... So that I as Captain can direct the course and eventual docking (restful) parameters.
BTW - WOT is always an option I always keep at hand, on the table... so to say! LOL
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10-05-2015, 07:37 AM
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#2493
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,565
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Greetings,
Mr. A. Thread creep? Every time a vessels stern comes into a discussion, "someone" mentions buttocks. Not my fault. I don't have a fixation...
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10-05-2015, 07:48 AM
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#2494
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
Vessel Model: Tollycraft 34' Tri Cabin
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 12,569
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
Mr. A. Thread creep? Every time a vessels stern comes into a discussion, "someone" mentions buttocks. Not my fault. I don't have a fixation...
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Why not????
On good butts... errrr boats, I mean!
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10-05-2015, 08:47 AM
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#2495
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Guru
City: Powell River, BC
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 4,075
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Y'all are messing up a perfectly good thread...
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10-05-2015, 09:20 AM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,565
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Greetings,
Mr. NS. Agreed. Back to interesting boats.
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10-05-2015, 10:18 AM
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#2497
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,743
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Quote:
Originally Posted by THD
At the Seattle Boat Show a year or so ago, I spent about an hour talking to the guy from Greenline and I ended up not so impressed. When I read the materials, I think some of it is just pure T BS. I spent almost three years looking at hybrid designs with the thought of a custom build. I spent a lot of time with Siemens' engineers on a system and a lot of time with Bill Crealock before his death on the design issues. Greenline claims running costs 10X less than a diesel boat, without explaining that they really mean while running in electric mode only. The only problem with that is that their battery bank is 12KWh, and the electric motor eats a minimum of 7KWh. So, about 90 minutes or so running on battery power alone. And that is with absolutely no power load from the house side of the equation. They also claim that the "hybrid system" is completely maintenance free. The sales guy finally admitted to me that there was no substantial fuel savings running on the diesel. We all own boats, we all know there is nothing on a boat that is maintenance free! It was nice boat but I just did not see the advantages of the system or the cost premium for it. I have always thought it was just an attempt to capitalize on the "eco" thing.
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IMO if one is to run on electric motors the only hull that should come up would be FD and even that should be very narrow, light w low prismatic coefficient and maybe even not a mono-hull. I think this Greenline hull is excellent .. but for a diesel engine. I like the hull design a lot but it's an inland coastal hull not heavy enough to be seriously considered as a trawler. Estimating a boats mass by it's amount of hull below the WL (visually) got me into trouble only reciently Wonder what TAD Roberts would say? Haven't seen him for awhile. His input was especially good and interesting on this thread.
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North Western Washington State USA
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10-05-2015, 10:45 AM
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#2498
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Senior Member
City: louisiana
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 234
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Quote:
Originally Posted by O C Diver
Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.
Ted
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Slips are not so sexy....lingerie for me!!!
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10-05-2015, 01:22 PM
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#2499
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Guru
City: Flattop Islands
Vessel Name: Blackfish
Vessel Model: custom
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 724
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I wrote about the Greenline back in 2011
The Hybrid Myth, Greenline 33
In response I've received positive comments from industry experts who would loose their jobs if they said the same thing. I've also had a couple of angry emails from owners asking why I'm so negative.....I blame it on the weather
Greenline was recently closed/in receivership, selling too many boats with too small a margin I imagine (trying to maintain a market). I'm not sure if they got out of it and reorganized......
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10-05-2015, 07:29 PM
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#2500
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 9,046
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Seems to me a Hybrid engine would work best on a sailboat that is used in areas with plenty of wind, and plenty of sun. Wind generator, solar panels, and even maybe one of the newer water driven turbines would work well when you only need the equivalent of a 40-50 hp engine to drive an efficient hull.
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