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Old 10-04-2015, 12:14 PM   #2481
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"Look at the inbd buttock lines." Hmmmm....

You're not fooling anyone with that common American example of a keel-less Mondo-Displacement, RT. The added outer sponsons are obvious.
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Old 10-04-2015, 02:50 PM   #2482
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Who could not notice the soft chines?
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:10 PM   #2483
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Those soft chines make for a nice smooth rolling motion.
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Old 10-04-2015, 03:14 PM   #2484
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Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.

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Old 10-04-2015, 04:04 PM   #2485
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Those soft chines make for a nice smooth rolling motion.

Ack!....
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:40 PM   #2487
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I nominate the designer of that folding chair for a Nobel Prize in engineering, if that exists.
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Old 10-04-2015, 05:52 PM   #2488
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That deep draft butt is stress testing that seat, I agree that the designer should be commended.
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Old 10-04-2015, 06:54 PM   #2489
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The Admiral would like the ship because he broke the conventional mold as CNO. Hopefully once they are commissioned they will prove there worth.
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Old 10-04-2015, 11:03 PM   #2490
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Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.

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I would rather try to get her into a slip than out of one!



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Old 10-05-2015, 07:59 AM   #2491
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Full displacement for sure. Definitely not built for speed.
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:19 AM   #2492
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Talk about thread creep! Fat Boats have segued into Fat Butts. Just because both these words start with "B" and sound somewhat similar does not justification make.


Personally, I greatly prefer shapely boats and butts! Each being able to either cruse slowly or to reach planning speed at a moment's notice... So that I as Captain can direct the course and eventual docking (restful) parameters.


BTW - WOT is always an option I always keep at hand, on the table... so to say! LOL
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:37 AM   #2493
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Greetings,
Mr. A. Thread creep? Every time a vessels stern comes into a discussion, "someone" mentions buttocks. Not my fault. I don't have a fixation...
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:48 AM   #2494
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Mr. A. Thread creep? Every time a vessels stern comes into a discussion, "someone" mentions buttocks. Not my fault. I don't have a fixation...
Why not????

On good butts... errrr boats, I mean!
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Old 10-05-2015, 09:47 AM   #2495
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Y'all are messing up a perfectly good thread...
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Greetings,
Mr. NS. Agreed. Back to interesting boats.
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:18 AM   #2497
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At the Seattle Boat Show a year or so ago, I spent about an hour talking to the guy from Greenline and I ended up not so impressed. When I read the materials, I think some of it is just pure T BS. I spent almost three years looking at hybrid designs with the thought of a custom build. I spent a lot of time with Siemens' engineers on a system and a lot of time with Bill Crealock before his death on the design issues. Greenline claims running costs 10X less than a diesel boat, without explaining that they really mean while running in electric mode only. The only problem with that is that their battery bank is 12KWh, and the electric motor eats a minimum of 7KWh. So, about 90 minutes or so running on battery power alone. And that is with absolutely no power load from the house side of the equation. They also claim that the "hybrid system" is completely maintenance free. The sales guy finally admitted to me that there was no substantial fuel savings running on the diesel. We all own boats, we all know there is nothing on a boat that is maintenance free! It was nice boat but I just did not see the advantages of the system or the cost premium for it. I have always thought it was just an attempt to capitalize on the "eco" thing.
IMO if one is to run on electric motors the only hull that should come up would be FD and even that should be very narrow, light w low prismatic coefficient and maybe even not a mono-hull. I think this Greenline hull is excellent .. but for a diesel engine. I like the hull design a lot but it's an inland coastal hull not heavy enough to be seriously considered as a trawler. Estimating a boats mass by it's amount of hull below the WL (visually) got me into trouble only reciently Wonder what TAD Roberts would say? Haven't seen him for awhile. His input was especially good and interesting on this thread.
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Old 10-05-2015, 11:45 AM   #2498
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Wide beams are usually fairly stable. Imagine it's a little challenging fitting that in a slip though.

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Slips are not so sexy....lingerie for me!!!
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Old 10-05-2015, 02:22 PM   #2499
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I wrote about the Greenline back in 2011

The Hybrid Myth, Greenline 33

In response I've received positive comments from industry experts who would loose their jobs if they said the same thing. I've also had a couple of angry emails from owners asking why I'm so negative.....I blame it on the weather

Greenline was recently closed/in receivership, selling too many boats with too small a margin I imagine (trying to maintain a market). I'm not sure if they got out of it and reorganized......
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Old 10-05-2015, 08:29 PM   #2500
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Seems to me a Hybrid engine would work best on a sailboat that is used in areas with plenty of wind, and plenty of sun. Wind generator, solar panels, and even maybe one of the newer water driven turbines would work well when you only need the equivalent of a 40-50 hp engine to drive an efficient hull.
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