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Old 05-25-2013, 08:04 PM   #201
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A couple of similar looking boats that were re-built (Aphrodite) and built (Liberty) in this area fairly recently.
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:17 PM   #202
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Okay. I'll stop for awhile after these two Maine built boats: Kintore, a 1995 build based on a William Garden West Coast Halibut Schooner Design, and Grayling, a 1915 Maine sardine carrier that was rebuilt and converted to pleasure 1995-1997.
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:18 PM   #203
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How do those narrow boats do with beam seas?
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Old 05-25-2013, 08:25 PM   #204
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Well, here's a few:
Man! Those (both) are great looking boats! The kind of boats I would expect a man of your breeding to have.
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Old 05-25-2013, 09:15 PM   #205
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Man! Those (both) are great looking boats! The kind of boats I would expect a man of your breeding to have.

Unfortunately, my parents bred a son of yacht tastes but dinghy budget.
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:31 PM   #206
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A couple of similar looking boats that were re-built (Aphrodite) and built (Liberty) in this area fairly recently.
He's probably to modest to mention it, but you might notice that the avatar for Tad Roberts is a picture of Liberty... he was the designer.

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Old 05-26-2013, 12:24 AM   #207
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Okay. I'll stop for awhile
Please don't! Thanks for those pictures of your old boat too David. You certainly live in an area that gives birth to many fine boats.

Those two are especially beautiful. I recognized Liberty quickly from Tad's avatar. Hard to fathom the level of craftsmanship still at work in Maine.

Extended vacationing and boat drooling in Maine is on my bucket list.
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Old 05-26-2013, 07:35 AM   #208
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How do those narrow boats do with beam seas?

WONDERFUL!

They simply go up and down , instead of rolling from gunnel to gunnel.

Skinney boats are great , but it takes a LB ratio of 6-1 to gain efficiency.

60 ft boat 10ft beam, hard to sell to the pool hall folks.
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Old 05-26-2013, 09:11 AM   #209
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I've posted most of these before:
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I like your old boat and the Ex Sardine carrier coversions.
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:26 AM   #211
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He's probably to modest to mention it, but you might notice that the avatar for Tad Roberts is a picture of Liberty... he was the designer.

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I knew Tad was on the Bruce King design team for Liberty and several other gorgeous boats, both power and sail. One never knows what that means in terms of who gets the credit for the design.

Tad, how does that work?
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Old 05-26-2013, 11:32 AM   #212
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When looming at boats with a lot of varnished wood I am in awe how much dedication and work is required. Many have to be in a covered moorage or canvas tarped. If most of the teak decks and trim where not covered I could not keep up.
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Phil,

I think in cases like this it's just a matter of money. And If I had it I'd prolly spend it thusly.

David H I love Grayling. The moorage would kill me though. Do you happen to have a picture of her out of the water?
Re reposting ... I've reposted many of my pics but I reason what could be more interesting than interesting boats .... so I'd hoped this thread would go on until we all ran out of pics and that may (hopefully) be a ways down the thread.
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Old 05-26-2013, 12:13 PM   #214
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I knew Tad was on the Bruce King design team for Liberty and several other gorgeous boats, both power and sail. One never knows what that means in terms of who gets the credit for the design.

Tad, how does that work?
Well David, it doesn't.......

The company name goes on the drawings. My initials might appear in the bottom corner. Traditionally Yacht Designer's get personal credit and few understand that design offices are sometimes large groups of very talented people. The who get's credit thing is (I suppose) left over from when all yacht designers worked alone. Land-based Architects have it a bit better, as most firms always credit the individual, but with boats it usually does not happen.

There are dozens of examples, almost all the great designers apprenticed in some office, and many great designers never left some big office. In the better known design offices the principal sometimes does no drawing at all. Few people even want to hear that Olin Stephens or Phil Rhodes did not design their boat, that the principal barely knew of it's existence, while some minion lived and breathed that boat for months at a time.

I'll add that I worked at Bruce King Yacht Design for 14 years, starting in Bruce's living-room as his only employee and the only person actually making drawings every day. I ended up overseeing two other designer's and an engineer, and still drawing all day every day. Now I work pretty much alone.
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For anyone that likes traditionally styled boats, as I do, Maine is one of the best places in the world to see them. The other great area is the PNW. The Chesapeake Bay is good, but not as good as Maine. Florida sucks.

David and Eric have a distinct advantage over most of us. I appreciate their sharing visions of their areas.
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Don-I am not that familiar with Maine, but you are certainly right on the PNW and Fla. Since moving to Seattle almost 14 years ago, I am constantly amazed at the boats out here, both pleasure and work. There is a strong tradition of old wood boats and classic designs native to the PNW and a strong culture of keeping many of those boats around. There are so many areas, from Fisherman's Terminal in Seattle, to Port Townsend, to Port Angeles, to Everett, Anacortes, Bellingham, etc where just walking the waterfront is an amazing experience, or spend part of a day on a busy weekend just watching the variety of boats going through the Ballard Locks.

As to Fla, if big, go-fast boats that all pretty much look alike and are owned by folks with much more money than boat sense or taste, Florida is your kind of place.

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This is a shot of an 85' foot shrimpboat on the ways in Holden Beach, NC about 30 years ago. My first wife's uncle built shrimpboats there for about 50 years. I used to go watch the old guys build them, no plans, only the roughest of drawings. They would lay down a line for the keel and start building. Even though they were building workboats, they were true artisans with wood. This particular hull was built as a yacht for a guy who liked the traditional NC shrimpboat hull. They were 85' with about a 20' beam, most had a single Detroit 871. 2" cypress planked over 3" white oak frames on 16" centers. Massive, strong boats but still with very pleasing lines. I wish I could find my shots of the entire boat, but this is the only one I have found so far.
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I have posted this one before. The picture was made in St. Augustine while the boat was on the way to Maine. I think it is owned by one of the Dupont family. David knows the story on the boat.

On a family trip to Maine in about '78 we stopped by Southwest Harbor at the Lee S. Wilbur Boat Works. They were doing a final fit out on a new boat set up for sportsfishing. The guys on the boat took one look at my 6' 5" 15 year old son and said, "get him up here". They were installing a tuna fighting chair. They put Mike in the chair adjusting the foot rest. They started swinging the chair around and sliding it. The one said, "that's it mark it, and put it in the book for future reference". I wonder if they are still using those measurements to fit fighting chairs.

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Back in the '70s there was an older couple that cruised the ICW, and wrote for the WATERWAY GUIDE. Their boat was a converted wooden salmon troller named CHINOOK. I have a print photo of it in my files somewhere. They would stop in at Morehead City Yacht Basin every year for a couple of weeks each way as they made their migration. I am wondering if any of you know anything about them. A salmon troller on the east coast is certain an unusual sight. The boat sure had pretty lines.
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