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Old 07-20-2016, 10:11 PM   #21
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We have 2 airfusion elites and are very happy with them. Definitely get a skeg for tracking.

About as hard to assemble as a tent, so not a big deal IMHO.

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Old 07-20-2016, 11:26 PM   #22
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Here is mine...

Cant really speak to its costs or benefits as i have about 1 hour paddling time in the thing... and that was a few years ago. one thing i did not like during that hour was the water dripping on me from the paddles - but i suppose that is endemic of all kayak paddles...

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Old 07-21-2016, 01:10 AM   #23
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Water runs down the paddle from the raised end, until it meets an obstruction. If the first obstruction is your hand, that is where the water will then run. If it encounters something else first, that is where it will drip. You can put a piece of rubber on the shaft of the paddles to act as a dam, push it up towards the raised end of the shaft far enough so the drips land outside the kayak, and your ride will be a lot dryer. My paddles came with a pair of those rubber gaskets when new. Now that I have more experience, I don't get so much water running down the shaft, so I no longer need the gaskets, which have long ago failed and fallen off.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:17 AM   #24
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The water running down the paddles is just one reason why true kayaks have the availability of a skirt. This keep water from any source from getting in the kayak.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:27 AM   #25
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This has been a better thread than I expected.
Lots of good comments.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:50 AM   #26
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The Eddyline Skylark's that we have are a lot more difficult to lift up onto the racks on the boat deck on my current boat than they were to lift up to the racks on the stanchions of my sailboat. One advantage of an inflatable is that it IS soft. Not as much concern about it banging against the boat in the process.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:04 AM   #27
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Some great information shared...

We have a WM Scamper I inflatable "kayak" and a Saturn 12' inflatable SUP.

I agree/concur with most regarding the kayak's capabilities - it's a light wind/smooth water craft. The trade is worth it for us as we store IRENE out of the water and the inflatable is easy to move there from home, load on the boat, etc. Same thing applies once aboard - the Scamper can be easily handled aboard by my (small) wife. It's easy to store on the cabin top, and easy to get down for use. Easy to use means it gets used a lot. Ours has a clear bottom, which she enjoys when the water is clear.

The Saturn SUP is a recent addition, I have only used it 15-20 times. I am impressed with the quality for the price point, and it is also very easy to store and launch. I am a novice SUP user with about 5 minutes of formal training, yet the SUP has exceeded my expectations for performance and stability. I have not yet fallen off!

Finally, I'll mention I like these inflatables because they are easy on the boat. I am not scratching gelcoat with them as they are launched, recovered, or moored and they are quiet alongside at anchor.

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A built in advantage that most trawlers have is the swim step for getting aboard the kayak.
Since we don't have a swim step .. does anybody get aboard a kayak via some other means like a ladder?

"Swim step" seems a silly name as I assume most everybody dos'nt swim off the swim step on their boat. Stern board or transom dock or platform seems much more appropriate to me.

nmuir,
I do like the Airfusion kayak.
One must insert aluminum tubes into the kayak to assemble? Will it last in the sun if left set up on deck?
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For lifting my Kayaks out of the water and placing them on the overhead racks, this is how I do it:

I need clear space alongside
Pull the Kayak into the clear space, lift the bow until the Kayak is vertical
push the Kayak down into the water
When it bounces up, the opening is high enough to grab
swing the Kayak around so the bow and stern are at the same height off of the water
carry the Kayak clear of obstructions and lift it over the rail
the rest will vary depending on your storage place
Mine weigh approximately 40 lb each, so this is manageable.
The second Kayak goes up on top of the first one, face down.
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We've been using the Sea Eagle RazorLite for over a year now. Not cheap but they handle very well on the water, have a skeg and track great. They also store in a bag and are quick to inflate.

Very happy.

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This one intrigues me...
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Keith that's great ....

The bounce dink.
The pop up dink.
The breaching dink.

Why not just a painter?
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Keith that's great ....

The bounce dink.
The pop up dink.
The breaching dink.

Why not just a painter?
Hahaha...I was wondering what the mast and boom are for then remembered, he lives on Saltspring Island; he'll get there.
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"Swim step" seems a silly name as I assume most everybody dos'nt swim off the swim step on their boat.
Maybe up there but it is extremely common in warm water climes.
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Old 07-21-2016, 07:16 PM   #34
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Indeed ... I did make that assumption.
But the name applies to all of us.
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My wife bought one of these a couple of years ago and pronounced it a good compromise between a hard kayak and a Sevylor type.

Has a frame. Tracks and paddles reasonably well. Stows in the lazarette.

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My wife bought one of these a couple of years ago and pronounced it a good compromise between a hard kayak and a Sevylor type.

Tracks and paddles reasonably well. Stows in the lazararette.

http://www.advancedelements.com/day-touring-inflatable-kayaks/inflatable-kayak-ae1012/
We've been seeing more and more of those up here, and everyone we talked to liked theirs, so we bought one. We find we like it too, and now plan to buy another. It doesn't have the space or speed for multiday touring, but for gunkholing where the big boat won't go, it's great. Comfortable, stable, high quality construction. Not self bailing, but the coaming holds a skirt well if you anticipate conditions where that may be an issue.
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We have two custom solo composite hardshell kayaks, two Advanced Elements Convertible tandem kayaks, and two inexpensive Sea Eagle tandem kayaks. We have paddled some in the solos ( many trips including 6 days in the San Juans, but not much compared to serious paddlers), we have put many miles on the Advanced Elements convertibles, and the Sea Eagles are lake toys for the grandkids.
The solos are wonderful to paddle and challenging to stow on the boat without banging into the sides and are even more challenging to get in and out of, from either the side doors or the swim step if there is any chop. We transport them on the car, not the boat.
The Advanced Element convertibles have a deck cover that provides for spray skirts, and we use a keel tube for improved tracking. We keep one inflated on the boat all the time stowed on the upper side deck, and we use blocks and tackle to lower it to beside the side boarding door and step into it. Wonderful stability. We paddle almost every day and we use it more than the dinghy. 10 knots of wind, no problem downwind, crosswind, or upwind. 15 knots, we only paddle upwind so we can drift back. More than that we take the dinghy or stay on the boat. We keep the second one deflated on the boat and inflate it for guests.
The Sea Eagles are cheap ones and are water toys. Two strong paddlers could get across a lake if they had to, but two strong paddlers who knew what they were doing, wouldn't be in these. However, Sea Eagle does make a couple of pretty good models.
It really depends on what you want them for. A test paddle of the various makes and models would be strongly recommended.
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I do like the Airfusion kayak.
One must insert aluminum tubes into the kayak to assemble? Will it last in the sun if left set up on deck?
Yes, one aluminum tube bow to stern on the bottom slots into two end uprights, then another top tube in the bow. I think youtube videos show the assembly.

We leave ours out on the trawler bow deck when cruising and they seem to be fine so far for sun damage after 2 years, though I expect year's worth of continuous sun would take a toll just like a RIB. To hoist them up we pull the bow up with the painter, then lift them up over the rail onto the deck. At 35 pounds no big issue.
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