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Old 04-17-2016, 10:36 AM   #141
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So we're back to cruise ships?
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:45 PM   #142
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I tried to look at those ocean going vessels but my wallet jumped out of my pocket and b*t$& -slapped me.
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Old 04-18-2016, 02:51 PM   #143
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I tried to look at those ocean going vessels but my wallet jumped out of my pocket and b*t$& -slapped me.
That's the way most of the world looks at the boats owned by all the members here.
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Old 04-18-2016, 03:16 PM   #144
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If you check out Dickey Boats, the LRC 58 is exactly what you are talking about. There is a short video on there website that explains the designing required to eliminate the need for stabilization and redundancy...it makes perfect sense and creates a very stable ultra efficient vessel. The drawback as pointed out is living space, for me, the trade off well worth it, for crossing oceans safely and efficiently I think the LRC 58 would make a great choice..I did try to contact them for some follow up questions, but they did not respond to my emails, unfortunate...
By the way - if you don't get any email response from Dickey yachts - I'd recommend you contact the designer directly. I have emailed him last year and he always responded pretty quickly. Not sure what's wrong with Dickey - seems like they don't like selling boats.

Here is the designer's email address:

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Old 04-18-2016, 03:46 PM   #145
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"55% efficient"

What does this mean? 55% or 60.5% of what?
I'm fairly sure they are talking about propellor efficiency, and minimising prop slip. 50% would mean the boat moves ahead only half of what your prop pitch is per revolution.

For full displacement boats high efficiency tends to mean large diameter props and low rpm.
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Old 04-18-2016, 04:22 PM   #146
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Stornoway,
Really do like the Choy Lee 66. Saw your boat at anchor when I was down in tassie last year.
Looking a few up on the net and saw one for sale in Spain with a pair of 6LXB Gardners, now that would really get me going, if only I was looking for a new boat.
Back in Tassie next year for the Wooden Boat Festival but this time on a mates boat.
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Old 04-18-2016, 04:34 PM   #147
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Reality for perhaps 98+% of boat owners is they will never spend more than $50K on a single boat in their life.
I'm kind of curious where you came up with this statistic? Go to any marina and it is chock full of boats that someone spent more than 50k on. You are saying for every one of these boats, there are 49 boats that cost less than 50k sitting around? Like I guess family ski boats/day sailers in garages and such?

$50k doesn't go very far in boating.
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Old 04-18-2016, 04:55 PM   #148
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$50k doesn't go very far in boating.
$50k would buy the first 10 boats I owned with change left over.
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:13 PM   #149
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$50k would buy the first 10 boats I owned with change left over.
Did you pay more than 50k for your Cuddles 30?
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:23 PM   #150
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Like I guess family ski boats/day sailers in garages and such?
Are they not boats? Do those owners not qualify to be called boaters?

I admit that was a made up statistic but if anything I bet it was low. Murray on this forum used to travel with his wife via sea kayak, am willing to bet he traveled more distance on those kayaks than most folks will in larger cruising boats.
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:51 PM   #151
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Are they not boats? Do those owners not qualify to be called boaters?

I admit that was a made up statistic but if anything I bet it was low. Murray on this forum used to travel with his wife via sea kayak, am willing to bet he traveled more distance on those kayaks than most folks will in larger cruising boats.
Sure they are boats, I just disagree with your number. I guess it depends what you call a boat? Like inflatables, rowboats, PWC's.

No matter, hard to settle this one.

This is interesting: https://www.growboating.org/toolkit/...d-figures.aspx

The salient fact being: 95% of boats on the water (powerboats, personal watercraft, and sailboats) in the U.S. are small in size at less than 26 feetóboats that can be trailered by a vehicle to local waterways.

Although there are a lot of ski boats that cost more than 50k. Many small trawlers are trailerable (Rangers) but cost more than 50k.

Still, that 95% fact lends credence to your number. I guess if we consider anything that floats, a boat, your number works.

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I'm constantly amazed every time I go to a decent size marina and just check out boats. Not many empty slips. Incredible numbers of boats that cost more than 50k. I'm surprised there are so many people that can and do put that kind of money into a boat (and then mostly they sit there).
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Old 04-18-2016, 05:59 PM   #152
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Are they not boats? Do those owners not qualify to be called boaters?

I admit that was a made up statistic but if anything I bet it was low. Murray on this forum used to travel with his wife via sea kayak, am willing to bet he traveled more distance on those kayaks than most folks will in larger cruising boats.
I think everyone here must be yanking da crank! A dollar three eighty plus tax just don't go as far as it used too.

Now, really, Craig - 98% under $50 G!!! I'd say it's got to be closer to 97%... if we were to take a sharp pencil to this completely surrounded by water money-waste hole... but, ain't it FUN!! LOL
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Old 04-18-2016, 06:23 PM   #153
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Did you pay more than 50k for your Cuddles 30?
Not when I bought it. - but the total spent is now well above 50k.
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Old 04-18-2016, 09:47 PM   #154
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I think everyone here must be yanking da crank! A dollar three eighty plus tax just don't go as far as it used too.

Now, really, Craig - 98% under $50 G!!! I'd say it's got to be closer to 97%... if we were to take a sharp pencil to this completely surrounded by water money-waste hole... but, ain't it FUN!! LOL
I checked Craig's numbers and came up with 98.7%.
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You guys need a reality check..

All those obnoxious wake board boats with the big towers and speakers start around $ 50,000 and go up from there..

The typical N40 from the factory costs about $ 900,000.00

The admiral never worries about me having a girlfriend as long as I have a boat.. she knows I could never afford both.

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If you think new boats outnumber older boats you're the one in need of a reality check.
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Old 04-19-2016, 12:02 AM   #157
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Craig - Please define new?? Do you mean...


- Brand new,
- Near new,
- Almost new,
- Used to be new,
- Wish it was new,
- Its new to me,
- I've spent enough to nearly make it new,
- Was new when I purchased 10 years ago,
- Broker told me it looks like new,
- Marina told me they'd make it just like new,
- I feel it acts new - or -
- The Price Made It Sound New!


Anyway you look at it, the newness of every boat for bout 3 months post purchase usually seems great... After that, buyer be ware!

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Old 04-19-2016, 07:00 AM   #158
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Hi Tidahapah,
I'd love my boat with a pair of Gardners in it,I had a 36' motorsailer which I installed a 4LW in,cruised at 900rpm,you could sleep next to the motor.
I've got Screaming Jimmies in the CL66,great motors,the noise isn't so bad once your hearing goes
Detroit; Converting Diesel to noise since 1938.
I wonder what a good Gardner replacement would be these days,the one in the picture only revs to 100 rpm.Nice and slow.
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Old 04-19-2016, 05:36 PM   #159
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A Gardner 6LXB completely overhauled will set you back around 45k.
Mind you a mate of mine sold an 8LXB fully rebuilt for 25k about 2 years ago as he was wanting the shed space
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I'm kind of curious where you came up with this statistic? Go to any marina and it is chock full of boats that someone spent more than 50k on. You are saying for every one of these boats, there are 49 boats that cost less than 50k sitting around? Like I guess family ski boats/day sailers in garages and such?

$50k doesn't go very far in boating.
I think the real question here, is not whether the boat is 55 or 60% more efficient, but how many angels can fit on top of a pin.

That would be a more informative conversation.
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