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Old 06-30-2015, 02:06 PM   #41
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I think the old fable applies here, "sour grapes". I dont have it therefor its not that big of a deal,,, only semantics,,, no real definition,,, etc. Krogenites still know, they dont need to ask. If you own a trawler there is no need to ask anyone what it is. If you own a new Benetue "fast trawler" you can ask !
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:21 PM   #42
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If you own a trawler there is no need to ask anyone what it is.
Very true. But since virtually everyone on this forum doesn't own a trawler, asking what one is seems a legitimate question. Particularly if one keeps their boats in one of those fancy upmarket marinas where working boats are not allowed within 100 miles and so may have never even seen a trawler before.
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:21 PM   #43
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Webster would define Trawler-any which boat you may happen to sit or stand upon and declare, what a wonderful trawler you have!
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Some boats are trawlers just because they look like trawlers. Camano 31 is such an example. Nothing trawler about it except the bridge windows. But they are visually so profound that the Camano easily slips in behind the rest to join the parade.

I have seen ads for C Dory's w the caption " the trailerable trawler" what a hoot. Not even powered by a diesel engine ... or even an inboard for that matter.

Marin has a point and dosen't even know it. The occupation of the skipper, his crew and friends to some degree make a trawler. Not what they do at work but what they do on the boat. What one does w a boat probably has something to do w it. There are quite a few here that operate as a trawler but have cruisers. Some even w gas engines.

The problem talk'in about this is that there are so many variables that drawing a line in the sand is hopeless. Can't be done. Too many "tweeners". Too big of a grey area. But I think that the most significant element of what makes a trawler a trawler is weight.

Larry M you may be right.

Ted (OC Diver) ,
I think it has more to do w the weight of the hull and less to do w engines and fuel. Range is of course mostly to do w passagemakers but somewhat to do w trawlers. However most trawlers don't venture far. But a very heavy boat that looks a tad bit like a North Sea Trawler almost can't be anything else but a recreational trawler. Again weight.
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:36 PM   #45
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I enjoy the debate immensely, and Marin is correct, we have few trawler owners. Even that statement expresses to me that "he knows it when he sees it". I would like to know if any KK42 owner has EVER felt the need to ask "is this a trawler?". Its kinda like the gay debate, if you gotta ask, your probly not However, apparently gay is way cool and lots of folks are pretenders.
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Old 06-30-2015, 02:40 PM   #46
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Marin has a point and dosen't even know it. The occupation of the skipper, his crew and friends to some degree make a trawler. Not what they do at work but what they do on the boat. What one does w a boat probably has something to do w it..
Well duh, Eric, that's the whole bloody POINT. A TRAWLER is defined by what one does with the boat. If you fish with trawl gear on a boat you have a frickin' TRAWLER. If you DON'T fish with trawl gear on a boat, it's not a trawler. The type of boat is totally irrelevant.

I don't think I can make it any more See-Spot-Run than that.
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Old 06-30-2015, 04:31 PM   #47
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I've noted that language/definitions change/evolve. Definitions can expand and even have completely different meanings than originally.


I'm guided by Chapman's book which includes a section on nautical terms. It includes "recreational trawler": a motor-cruiser not having sufficient horsepower to get into planing mode.
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Old 06-30-2015, 05:14 PM   #48
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...I would like to know if any KK42 owner has EVER felt the need to ask "is this a trawler?"...
Nope. But we get asked more than not about our trawler. Their words not mine.


I think a lot of it is a regional thing. Your boat type questions change on geographic regions.
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Old 06-30-2015, 05:29 PM   #49
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I've noted that language/definitions change/evolve. Definitions can expand and even have completely different meanings than originally.
Yeah, you're right and I know this. Language is an ever-evolving thing and that's okay. I use words today that didn't even exist 30 years ago.

But there is a limit to my tolerance and it pisses me off to see the language perverted by marketing bozos (of which I am one) purely for the purpose of scamming gullible customers into buying their product. "Trawler" applied to recreational cruising boats is an example of this. Equally annoying is the fact that so many people fall for it to the point we're at today.

So Mark, I know I'm tilting at a windmill but it's a windmill that happens to really piss me off.
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purely for the purpose of scamming gullible customers into buying their product. "Trawler" applied to recreational cruising boats is an example of this. Equally annoying is the fact that so many people fall for it to the point we're at today.
Hello Don Quixote. Tilt away at windmills. That's fine. But I don't see that there is any falling for the labeling or terminology nor people are gullible in this regard. The boat they buy is what it is and doesn't really matter what it's called.
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. The boat they buy is what it is and doesn't really matter what it's called.
To people who don't know any better, no it doesn't.

To me, how people use terms like 'trawler" is a effective delineator.
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Not to people who don't know any better, no it doesn't.

If they like the boat what does it matter what the manufacturer calls it?
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My boat is sometimes called a "Tug Trawler" now that makes me chuckle. It's of course neither, and no such creature exist to my knowlege.

I have a FD river and coastal cruser that makes me and my better half happy, and provides many smiles per gallon.

That's all that matters, oh and the anchor and shotgun, they matter.

This place is a zoo, you folks know that right?! lol

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Hmmmm............maybe because I`m hanging upside down on the bottom half of the earth my perspective is a little odd, but I cannot for the life of me see why we cling so desperately to the idea that our boats have a resemblance, either physically of performance wise to a working boat so beautifully described by Marin.

As I said in another thread "trawlers" are commercial fishing boats - normally with a high bow and minimal deck house situated well forward and huge aft working deck. Our IG 36 has a high bow but that's the only characteristic we share. I value this forum and check it daily but I`m afraid to say that our boat is and will always be a .....displacement cruiser. Sorry.

I also accept that the "Displacement Cruiser Forum" doesn`t have the same ring...

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Greetings,
Our vessel is described as a Long Range Cruiser (LRC). (Displacement hull). Never seen it in any company literature described as a trawler. Just checked YW where the same model is being marketed as a trawler.
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Old 06-30-2015, 06:34 PM   #56
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Marin......do you really think that builders are trying to scam gullible customers? I find that most people I talk to are quite well informed about the type of boat they are calling or writing me about. Most are very conversant in "trawler talk" having been either members of this site or the myriad of other sites out there. Trawler folk (a new term???) are usually very "hands on", "self reliant", single minded, and verrrry opinionated.

We did, however, read, absorb, and take action once I read an earlier post by you (Marin). We don't actually call our boats "trawlers" any more. We call them Trawler Style Motor Vessels. Or, Motor Vessels with a Trawler Pedigree. The latter statement I feel justified in because my first production manager, who had a lot to do with the original design, was Paolo Jurkovich, who, with his father, Branko Jurkovich, built over 50 Branko Boats. Paolo, himself,runs a fleet of about 8 Branko fishboats in Bristol Bay. This is their latest, launched in 2012. Click image for larger version

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Also, our designer, Steve Seaton, has conceived many "trawler styled" vessels over the years.

Saying all that..........trying to describe a trawler to someone, for me, is very difficult. It is a look, a style, a performance characteristic, or the function of a boat. All are valid but maybe it is just an "attitude".

I often tell people that I don't know what makes a (recreational) trawler........but I do know one when I see one.
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Old 06-30-2015, 06:43 PM   #57
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As is often posted here...everybody's definition isn't worth spit unless verified with an expert.


OK...who is the expert on what recreational vessels should be called a trawler or not?


I know there are experienced boating people on here...what say they?


Where was all that wisdom accumulated?


I can reasonably guess who on this forum is fully immersed in the cruising crowd 24 hrs a day, week after week, year after year, decade after decade.....you know the people who live the boating life that don't have jobs or other distractions that pull them away from boating. They are the types that meet boating people every day, 12 hrs a day and interact with them by just plain old BSing about boating.


Call boats whatever you like...and sure there is no clear cut answer...but I will stand by my assessment that the active boating crowd, whether they agree or disagree, see the basic definitions of a recreational trawler....and based on my experiences...it's only looks...not anything else.
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Marin......do you really think that builders are trying to scam gullible customers?
Not anymore. There's no need to. The scamming was done a long time ago and the term has become an accepted part of the language as Mark pointed out earlier. So today you can call your cabin cruiser a "trawler" and nobody bats an eye other than those who know better.

But initially, absolutely. The Taiwan Trawler crowd glommed onto the term "trawler" as a wonderful way to hype the image of their not-all-that-well-built cabin cruisers back in, I suppose, the 1970s, maybe?

If you call a pig a swan long enough and persistently enough and effectively enough eventually you'll persuade your target market that a pig actually IS a swan and then your job is done.
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I think there a bunch of people who "know better" that just go with the flow and laugh at those who laugh at them....


Pretty funny world we have....
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The Taiwan Trawler crowd glommed onto the term "trawler" as a wonderful way to hype the image of their not-all-that-well-built cabin cruisers back in, I suppose, the 1970s, maybe?
I totally agree......I remember my first experience at cruising "down east" in Maine...circa 1980 on our sailboat. (This was long before I became delusional and got into the boat business) Someone came into the small harbor where we were anchored in, what was probably, a Grand Banks. Someone in our party remarked that a trawler was the only acceptable "stink pot" to be anchored near. I answered......"trawler......that's a trawler?.......where the hell is the fish hold".

Now I build 'em with no fish hold..........go figure.
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