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Old 07-10-2015, 09:04 PM   #21
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Old 07-10-2015, 09:14 PM   #22
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Wayfarer,
I'm fully aware that Manatee's are often called sea cows.
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Old 07-10-2015, 11:58 PM   #23
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Don't get too upset, Larry, I seem to recall that in ancient lore, manatees were often taken to be mermaids by seafaring mariners. OF course, they had been at sea a long, long time!
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Old 07-11-2015, 08:55 AM   #24
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Imagine the confusion if bridge tenders actually looked to determine if it was a trawler approaching.


I suggest the term motor vessel when contacting bridge tenders.
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:16 AM   #25
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You mean "engine" vessel?
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Old 07-11-2015, 09:50 AM   #26
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Imagine the confusion if bridge tenders actually looked to determine if it was a trawler approaching.


I suggest the term motor vessel when contacting bridge tenders.

"Pleasure vessel" is what I use for locks and bridges in my delivery to the lock/ bridge tender.


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Old 07-11-2015, 09:59 AM   #27
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I think "Motor Boat" is the accepted term despite it's incorrectness re the "Motor" part of the expression. Our boats are powered by engines not motors. Inboard engines or outboard engines. But we say OB motors and Motor Boats. Correctness be dammed. Are you listening Marin?
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:01 AM   #28
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I'm fully aware that Manatee's are often called sea cows.
You may not be fully aware that seacow is generally the affectionate term used when talking about manatees.
Although I have to admit the post about the day sailer was a chuckler.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:07 AM   #29
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Pleasure Craft is the appropriate legal term in Canada.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:12 AM   #30
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Pleasure Craft is the appropriate legal term in Canada.

I believe it is on this side of the 49th parallel too.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:30 AM   #31
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My boat is a fat old lady. Manatee and Seacow are appropriate descriptions. Jim Krogen sketched it while living in Key Biscayne a half dozen houses from where we lived, but when Key Biscayne was a simpler, lay-back kind of place. It's easy to imagine where the inspiration came from......Manatees abound, crystal waters, lazy days. It was the boat he designed for himself, never meaning it to be anything more than it is, a plump, full figured girl that manages to unobtrusively sidle its way from place to place without serving notice about it.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:34 AM   #32
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engine is indeed correct. I guess I'll ride my Harley engine cycle today.






The terms used locally are sailing vessel and motor vessel. I don't know if the bridge tenders care.


Power vessel would be more accurate.
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Old 07-11-2015, 10:47 AM   #33
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Pleasure Craft is the appropriate legal term in Canada.
Pleasure craft must of been spun from some marketing guy in the 50's..it envokes the vision of some schmuck in a skippers hat with a martini in one hand and a tall brunette wearing a scarf smoking a cigarette with one of those long cig holders barreling along headed to the yacht club. Rarely do I distinguish what type the boat is ..just the name.. over the radio.

That beign said...as much work as most of our boats take I rarely think of it as a pleasure.
I guess if one is a boat masochist... oh wait...nevermind.

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Old 07-11-2015, 11:11 AM   #34
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" It was the boat he designed for himself, never meaning it to be anything more than it is, a plump, full figured girl that manages to unobtrusively sidle its way from place to place without serving notice about it."
What a wonderful definition of the "Manatee!"
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:19 AM   #35
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You mean "engine" vessel?
Oil screw.
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:33 AM   #36
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Pleasure craft must of been spun from some marketing guy in the 50's..it envokes the vision of some schmuck in a skippers hat with a martini in one hand and a tall brunette wearing a scarf smoking a cigarette with one of those long cig holders barreling along headed to the yacht club. Rarely do I distinguish what type the boat is ..just the name.. over the radio.


I don't like the connotation "pleasure" in describing my boat. In choosing a description for my boat for USCG documentation purposes, I chose "recreational" among the options. There is no option for "pleasure." The USCG has it right.
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Old 07-11-2015, 11:42 AM   #37
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I think some of this "confusion" is about use versus type.

The generic type of all of these boats is "power-driven vessel" - according to the ColRegs / Nav Rules.

My USCG certificate does not specify a more specific type, but it does have "Recreational" operational endorsement (i.e. use).

But getting back to the marketing...aren't all of these vessels "yachts"? Purely recreational, permanent berths, et cetera. But I find it interesting that as relatively large vessels became owned by the middle class what I think most people consider a "yacht" is now something well over 50 feet. Or so it seems to me.

Anyway...the hull for my vessel was based on the C-Rover, an "Offshore Power Cruiser" of familiar tri-cabin (or bridgedeck cruiser) design (from "the Ferro-Cement Boat", copyright 1968.):
"Samson Marine was asked to produce a design in the Grand Banks style for the big power boat enthusiast..."
This same book also has designs for a 37' Gillnetter, and a (wait for it)...54' Trawler C-Fisher that was:
"...commissioned for prawn trawling in Australia but is equally adaptable for bottom trawling, purse or drum seining and other specialized fishing. As one example, king crab fishermen are finding the ferro-cement hold can be used as a live tank to keep their catch in circulating salt water. C-Fisher was designed to meet the high requirements of Lloyds, the American Bureau of Shipping, and the Canadian Steamship Inspection."
My vessel has the large hold and forward RPH of the C-Fisher combined with the 44' hull of the C-Rover. In other words, my "trawler" is based on the Grand Banks design!
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A motor is a machine that converts a form of energy into mechanical energy. It is not reserved for electric motors.

The word motor came into popular usage when diesel and gasoline engines became popular as engine generally meant a steam powered external combustion engine.

So the term motor boat originally meant a boat with an internal combustion heat engine.
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:15 PM   #39
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I don't like the connotation "pleasure" in describing my boat. In choosing a description for my boat for USCG documentation purposes, I chose "recreational" among the options. There is no option for "pleasure." The USCG has it right.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg5/nvdc/forms/cg1258.pdf
That's nice. I'm just relaying the legal term in Canada prescribed by the Canada Shipping Act, 2001.

Which is fine, because if you bring your boat to Canada, you will be a "foreign vessel".
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Old 07-11-2015, 12:52 PM   #40
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There is a Manatee just down the dock from us. While I admit the view from pier side is, uh, unique. From onboard she is delightful!. If we ever get a chance to own one she will be christened "Seacow"!
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