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11-07-2019, 07:50 PM
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Guru
City: Italy
Vessel Name: Didi Mau
Vessel Model: Currently looking for next boat
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 1,081
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I was boarded today
I was boarded today in st. Augustine Florida by customs and sheriff’s deputies. My wife saw them get close and told me we would be boarded. I told her they would hail us first. A minute later we turned around and three officers were already aboard with their dog.
They were all courteous, but, it seemed strange to be boarded without warning.
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11-07-2019, 08:05 PM
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Guru
City: Long island
Vessel Model: Eastern
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 632
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They just boarded with out a word spoken ?
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11-07-2019, 08:10 PM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 5,196
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Hmmm. Sounds like the were looking for something or somebody. I was once at a boat ramp where they boarded a guy the same way with a dog. They were looking for an escaped convict.
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11-07-2019, 08:10 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon J
I was boarded today in st. Augustine Florida by customs and sheriff’s deputies. My wife saw them get close and told me we would be boarded. I told her they would hail us first. A minute later we turned around and three officers were already aboard with their dog.
They were all courteous, but, it seemed strange to be boarded without warning.
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Where were you going from and where to?
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11-07-2019, 08:18 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Hmmm, did you ask them about not hailing?
And did you notice CG personnel with them?
I would follow up with a courteous question to Commander CG Station JAX (Mayport). While they were not under his command I would like to hear what he says.
Did you get any post inspection documentation?
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11-07-2019, 08:32 PM
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Guru
City: Long island
Vessel Model: Eastern
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 632
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General rule is to ‘ Ask permission to board” that makes for a totally legal find, if any contraband is found . By not giving permission things get muddy
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11-07-2019, 08:36 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,789
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gordon J
I was boarded today in st. Augustine Florida by customs and sheriff’s deputies. My wife saw them get close and told me we would be boarded. I told her they would hail us first. A minute later we turned around and three officers were already aboard with their dog.
They were all courteous, but, it seemed strange to be boarded without warning.
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St Augustine has a CBP training facility on the San Sebastian river so they are probably trying out their new skills perhaps.
You will see all kinds of CBP Le craft tear assing around town in high speed boats.... Kind of common now
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11-07-2019, 08:38 PM
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Guru
City: Inside Passage Summer/Columbia River Winter
Vessel Name: Alaskan Sea-Duction
Vessel Model: 1988 M/Y Camargue YachtFisher
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 8,046
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Wow. Need more information
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11-07-2019, 08:40 PM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
Join Date: May 2014
Posts: 7,235
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
St Augustine has a CBP training facility on the San Sebastian river so they are probably trying out their new skills perhaps.
You will see all kinds of CBP Le craft tear assing around town in high speed boats.... Kind of common now
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11-07-2019, 08:49 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 10,595
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If they had asked for permission to board you, it would have been purely out of courtesy. If you, the captain, had said NO, they would have stop being nice, escorted you back to a dock, detaining you until they got search warrant.
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11-07-2019, 08:56 PM
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Guru
City: Long island
Vessel Model: Eastern
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 632
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I have dealt with marine law enforcement for 20 years. I have never seen a boarding happen without some communication prior to stepping on board. We may be missing some facts.
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11-07-2019, 09:26 PM
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Guru
City: Southwest MI
Vessel Name: Sobelle
Vessel Model: C-Dory 22 Cruiser
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 1,229
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
If they had asked for permission to board you, it would have been purely out of courtesy. If you, the captain, had said NO, they would have stop being nice, escorted you back to a dock, detaining you until they got search warrant.
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Saying "no" would have probably enabled the reasonable suspicion clause of their contract. I expect boats are treated the same way as cars when it comes to searches.
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11-07-2019, 09:35 PM
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Senior Member
City: Portsmouth, VA
Vessel Name: Nickel Plate
Vessel Model: Jeanneau Velasco 43
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 110
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Heading toward a totalitarian state, what else would you expect, saw the same attitude coming through customs from Canada. The fish rots from the head..
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11-07-2019, 10:25 PM
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Scraping Paint
City: Lake Stevens, WA via Honolulu
Vessel Name: 'Au Kai (Ocean Traveler)
Vessel Model: C-Dory 25
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 450
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When you say hail...radio or just pull up next to you? Perhaps there is more I’m missing.
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11-07-2019, 10:30 PM
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Guru
City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,608
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Arc
General rule is to ‘ Ask permission to board” that makes for a totally legal find, if any contraband is found . By not giving permission things get muddy
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Customs/Border Patrol has similar authority as USCG. They can board you at anytime. They might ask "Permission to come aboard Captain" but they're not really asking.
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11-07-2019, 11:00 PM
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,449
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
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That's why I asked his from and to as there's a very high level of activity toward those returning from the Bahamas right now. I have a friend who is a professional captain and they were returning yesterday and a helicopter pulled overhead. He heard someone say they didn't believe that was the boat but he then spoke and said he was the boat under the helicopter. They asked details of nationality of those aboard and made a boat to tell them to call when they entered but then he informed them he used ROAM and they said they'd see him there and that was the end of it.
The feeling is that they're on very high patrol looking for potential Bahamian stowaways. They've been put on a no tolerance policy.
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11-07-2019, 11:40 PM
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Guru
City: Vallejo, California
Vessel Name: Mahalo Moi
Vessel Model: 1986 Grand Banks 42 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 2,093
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If the police thought a murder was currently underway in a neighbor’s house, do you think they would knock on the door politely and ask if they could come in to talk about it? They probably had a good reason to board. Most boaters don't have VHF 16 on anyway. And I’m not sure I could hear them hailing through their speaker with the racket my boat makes.
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11-07-2019, 11:48 PM
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Guru
City: Qualicum Beach, Vancouver Island
Vessel Name: Capricorn
Vessel Model: Mariner 30 - Sedan Cruiser 1969
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 2,019
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So if the cops go to a crack house they should phone ahead and as a courtesy let them know the cops are coming. Sounds like a plan to me.
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11-07-2019, 11:50 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,559
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Huh? What did you say? Sorry, I'm old and hard of hearing.
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11-08-2019, 12:27 AM
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Senior Member
City: Yelm, WA
Vessel Name: "Convergence"
Vessel Model: Camano Troll
Join Date: Nov 2017
Posts: 399
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you can't compare boats to cars or houses. Rules are totally different. Safest rule to follow is that if you're in waters open to the coast guard or customs, they can search whenever they want. I think that dates back to the 1700's and has been affirmed by the US supreme court 30 years ago. Much greater protections in cars or houses.
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