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Old 08-10-2011, 12:49 PM   #21
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Moonstruck wrote:If you could see one of the deadrise boats from the rear, you would see how narrow they are for their length.
Yes, that's apparent in the YouTue docking contest videos.* Interesting that the boats, or at least the one in the video i postedt the link to, has a control station for the boat halfway back on the starboard side.* I suppose that's so the person driving the boat can also handle fishing gear.

I know very little about the Chesapeake and the little I do know of its history came from Mitchner's book "Chesapeake."** Don't know how accurate it was but as it was one of his earlier books he probably did most of the research himself as opposed to delegating almost the whole project to his staff as I've been told he did on later projects.

He made the bay and the life on and around it sound very intriguing although I'm sure that, like everywhere else today, what he wrote about is long gone.
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Old 08-10-2011, 01:05 PM   #22
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Yes, that's apparent in the YouTue docking contest videos.* Interesting that the boats, or at least the one in the video i postedt the link to, has a control station for the boat halfway back on the starboard side.* I suppose that's so the person driving the boat can also handle fishing gear.

I know very little about the Chesapeake and the little I do know of its history came from Mitchner's book "Chesapeake."** Don't know how accurate it was but as it was one of his earlier books he probably did most of the research himself as opposed to delegating almost the whole project to his staff as I've been told he did on later projects.

He made the bay and the life on and around it sound very intriguing although I'm sure that, like everywhere else today, what he wrote about is long gone.

*"Chesapeake" is one of my favorite books.* I've read it a few times, and he did do most of the research himself.* During the research he lived at St. Michaels for a couple of years.* He said that the crab cakes at the Robert Morris Inn in Oxford were the best on the Bay.* I think they still are.

He used an ingenious mechanism for his novel.* There is an sunken island at the Choptank River entrance from the Bay.* He used that island as the center of the story.* It chronicled the imagined family from about the 1600s to modern day times.* Of course in the end the Bay swallowed up the island, and the family is no more.* I recommend it to anyone interested in the Bay.

I'm glad to see that you are interested in the Bay.*
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I know very little about the Chesapeake and the little I do know of its history came from Mitchner's book "Chesapeake."** Don't know how accurate it was but as it was one of his earlier books he probably did most of the research himself as opposed to delegating almost the whole project to his staff as I've been told he did on later projects.

He made the bay and the life on and around it sound very intriguing although I'm sure that, like everywhere else today, what he wrote about is long gone.
Great book, and fairly accurate. My company used to do a lot of work down at Patuxent River NAS in Southern MD.* I got to know, and still keep in touch with, some of the locals.** And, sure enough, there seems to be a handful of families that own everything down there.* Been in the family for generations.* That has started to change some over the past decade now that NAVAIR relocated there from Crystal City.* The place has exploded with development. When I drilled at Pax in the 70's and 80's there was nothing there but the base with one, 2 lane road access from the civilized world.* All that's changed now.

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I'm glad to see that you are interested in the Bay.*
Yeah, don't get me wrong from my other posts.* I'm interested in just about any location, particularly ones near or on the water.* And especially ones with a lot of history, or at least the kind of history I'm interested in, like the Chesapeake.*

It was annoying to be in Charleston several times last year but not have the time to go out to Ft. Sumpter.* All I could do was look at it from city waterfront.* From a little kid I've been interested in the Civil War (both sides), particularly the naval aspects. I built models of the Kearsarge and the Alabama and the Monitor and the Virgina and I have a whole shelf of coffee table picture books of Civil War photos and whatnot.

There is no place on this planet that I've been to yet that I would want to live other than where I am now.** Well, I don't like Seattle itself but it's in the right place.* And the plusses of Vancouver, BC make up for the minuses of Seattle.* But I do find lots of other places fascinating.* I'd like to see Ha Long Bay in Vietnam, for example, although I understand it's awfully touristy now.*

Of the 30-something countries I've been to and worked in so far, I'd have to say Malta was the most surprising and unexpected of them all.* Absolutely fascinating place.*

So while the ICW itself doesn't interest me as something I'd want to drive a boat on, some of the places it touches on are high on my list of things to experience, at least for a bit.* Like the Chesapeake and its watermen.

First shot, Ha Long Bay, second shot, Malta.


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*Malta's strategic location has given it an interesting if somewhat mysterious history.* It is lovely with*great weather.* Sunshine abounds.

At college back in the 60s my final project in Middle Eastern and Mediterranean studies was to do a paper on how Malta could be an economically viable country.* The deep harbor and climate are probably its biggest assets along with its quaries.* Tourism makes up a large part of the economy.* I could do Malta.* Did you see the big eyes on the bows of the local boats?
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*Marin, I too am a Civil War buff, or as we call it in the South "the recent unpleasantnss".* I live within 1 block of where Sherman's and Grant's headquaters was near the waterfront in Chattanooga.* There was a house used as a Civil War hospital one block the other way as well as the site of jail that held Andrews Raiders when they were captured.* They were tried in Atlanta and hanged.* They were later brought back her for interment in National Cemetary.* Orchard Knob where Sherman and Grant directed the Battle of Missionary Ridge is near by.* Douglas Macathers father was awarded the Medal of Honor for disobeying orders and breaking through the Southern lines on the Ridge.* Bloody Chickamauga Battlefield was the first National BATTLEFIELD>

If you are this way< and want to see any of it stop by>* i have a carriage house apartment that is just for such occasion

Much history here* Sherman started his march to the sea from here.* My son, David, knows the history in detail.* To get back to boats, both sides used the rivers and rails to move troops.
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Malta. I spent quite a few days there exploring around in 1967 when I and my ship were being treated for our wounds suffered in action. It is, indeed, a fascinating place reeking with history from the ancient to the modern. Recently (re)watched a History channel documentary on the most recent military siege of Malta in WWII. Talk about a people enduring a blitz!
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I have relatives who have not gotten over the Civil War.* They call it, "The War of Northern Aggression"
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Malta. I spent quite a few days there exploring around in 1967 when I and my ship were being treated for our wounds suffered in action. It is, indeed, a fascinating place reeking with history from the ancient to the modern. Recently (re)watched a History channel documentary on the most recent military siege of Malta in WWII. Talk about a people enduring a blitz!
*David, it is not fair for you to reenter your hijacked thread.
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Malta. I spent quite a few days there exploring around in 1967 when I and my ship were being treated for our wounds suffered in action. It is, indeed, a fascinating place reeking with history from the ancient to the modern. Recently (re)watched a History channel documentary on the most recent military siege of Malta in WWII. Talk about a people enduring a blitz!
*David, it is not fair for you to reenter your hijacked thread.

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wow thats expensive for a single screw..
and fyi, i noticed the genny is started by the main engine batts though it seems every other system has its own battery bank and separate chargers.

i like the lines, not as much as my dream boat (the GB Eastbay).
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The week I spent on Malta in 2003 found no*really good*meal.* If staying any longer, I'd probably end up*eating at KFC.
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The week I spent on Malta in 2003 found no*really good*meal.* If staying any longer, I'd probably end up*eating at KFC.
You gotta hang out with the right people.* We were working with Air Malta and they took us to excellent restaurants all over the island every night.* I'm not going to say it was the best food ever--- Dubai and Abu Dhabi probably get that prize with Australia and Turkey vying for*a very close second--- but the meals I can remember having on Malta were terrific.


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Down east Lobster boats won't have hard chines because traps catch on the chine edge. (there is a recent builder in Maine who does build with hard chines...can't remember who)
Bay boats have hard chines, finer entry and are designed/refined for local bay conditions.
The evolution of lobster boats is ever increasing horsepower. Sterns of Lob boats have become wider and wider to avoid squat from weight/HP. Some of these boats have 800-1000 HP on 42'.
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The evolution of lobster boats is ever increasing horsepower. Sterns of Lob boats have become wider and wider to avoid squat from weight/HP. Some of these boats have 800-1000 HP on 42'.
GEEEZZZ - Da times Do Change!!* Back in late 60's early 70's Penobscot Lobster boats were BIG time if they had a 327 or 350 cid gasser... most had straight 6 cyl, a few had*rather small diesel.* Only one*I recall had a hopped up 427 vet engine.* She was the fastest around.* 800-1000 HP now!! again GEEEZZZ - Da Times Do Change!* LMAO
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I think the trend to crowd the power to a lobster boat is ridiculous. Beautiful, easily driven hulls that perform great with 200 hp. But then again , I'm in no hurry. With 800 hp you can pass everything....except the fuel dock!
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"I think the trend to crowd the power to a lobster boat is ridiculous."

Its a SPORT for the go fast folks that like to win races.

National Fisherman covers the annual races, and some FEW guys take it really seriously.

Like a drag race , specialized , and not very practical, but FUN to watch!!!
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"I think the trend to crowd the power to a lobster boat is ridiculous."

Its a SPORT for the go fast folks that like to win races.

National Fisherman covers the annual races, and some FEW guys take it really seriously.

Like a drag race , specialized , and not very practical, but FUN to watch!!!
Agreed!
In Maine 1960s / 70s the guy who had Lobster boat with hopped up 427 vet engine was a pure gearhead... he also had the fastest cars!* Out here in SF Bay/Delta one of my friends is another gearhead... 27 Fountain with hopped up 575 cid (I think thats his hugely bored out cid??) speed boat that does 90 + mph.* Far as Im concerned Fk that too fast Sht!!* At 90 mph the Fountain begins to waffle; with the*wrong ripples on water surface or incorrect wind gust... whoevers in that monster doing that speed could too soon be surfing to the Pearly Gates! * I saw it gain air with a flippy motion a few times as hes sped past our anchored Tolly at top speed.* I NO GO that fast Thank You!* Heck,*alone and for just a few seconds when I do WOT in our light weight 50 hp 14 4 seater-comfortable runabout getting close to 40 knts... thats darn fast enough! *Wife and I much more enjoy cruising at around 25 knts in that little gunk-holen sweetheart...* and, at that speed we be*getten*affordable 20+ mpg to boot!* We love cruising our Tolly at 6.7 knts, just below hull speed (2 + nmpg), or sometimes on a clean plane at 16 +/- knts (1 nmpg).* Now dont gets me wrong...I aints gots nutten gainst speeeeed; heck, my 1967 430 cid 360 hp factory orig Wildcat back in 67 was factory rated at 148 mph, and, with only 118K miles on her she still loves to pur down the hwy at 90; but at this age we DO like to see the scenery too!* BTW My friend with the Fountain recently went racing another friend with a similar speed boat on a few hour jaunt, to a restaurant with great Tacos for lunch each speed boat used around $700 high test gasoline that day to enable that crazy excursion!* Talk about expensive Tacos!!* Theres a continual joke between we boaten friends about that silly*run... *Each to their own!!* Thank God!!
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This afternoon (100 miles door to door) we go to our Tolly and tow-behind runabout for a cruisen/hooken/gunken/swimen/diven/sun-deck BBQen/night time video watchen/totally relaxen 5 day weekend!* Mid 30s daughter and her cool hubby will join us for a couple days on the water.* Wishing you all the best for Labor Day!! Cheers, Art

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An old crabber here in the Chesapeake once told me that the Deadrise work boats were built at 32' 42' and 48' depending on were the boat was working. The length had to do with the the spacing of the waves. The guys that worked the open water wanted the 48' boat so it would be on a couple of waves at once.
I spent a couple of winters as a kid dredging crabs in the winter on a 48' boat. That boat would go through anything.
Cindy and I will be at the Crisfield Crab Derby in MD this weekend. On Sunday afternoon they have a boat docking contest. I've seen a number of them over the years. It's amazing how much horse power some of these boats have. Last year there was ever an aluminum deadrise in the contest. It was very quick but did not win.
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