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Old 09-18-2008, 08:50 AM   #21
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RE: Hurricane Ike

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Anybody know how Harborwalk Marina in Hitchcock area fared?
Rumor has it that the homes are fine and that over half of the boats were destroyed.* I heard someone mumbling this and they had it second or third hand as well so take it for what it is worth.
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Old 09-18-2008, 08:52 AM   #22
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When the water level rises to the point that the floating docks are above the pilings , the damage is even worse with the docks on the boats.

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The Baytown Marina under the Fred Hartmann bridge had this happen.* They are right where the whol bay constricts to become the Houston Ship CHannel land cut.* SO they are basically at the point where the storm surge will be the absolute worst.* The whole marina floated off and is on land.* The "marina" is now just an inlet of water and pilings...no piers.
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:37 PM   #23
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RE: Hurricane Ike

There are some compelling pictures that hat been posted of boats and dinghys impaled by pilings. it is clear that they floated higher in the surge and then came down on top of the piling (especially those that had the pointed caps on top). I don't want to denigrate in any way the damage or losses that have been suffered, but as an example, we had a "100 year" flood on the Columbia River in 1996, and the lesson is that the pilings needed to be higher than the adjacent dike (levee). The analog is that piling for a floating dock need to be 2' (or so) higher thatn the expected surges - which becomes an economic (and to some extent aesthetic) issue for marina developers. So I agree that floating docks are a better alternative, but
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:40 PM   #24
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RE: Hurricane Ike

sorry hit the enter button too soon
only if there is adequate consideratin to expected surge.

I want to emphasize, our heart goes ot to those who lost homes, boats, dreams in this event.
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:23 AM   #25
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Having been in the business ,

" The average boat owner doesn't know if the dock he is renting for $300 a month will hold his boat or not and most marina just don't do much after the initial build in the way of replacing out dated docks."

The usual boater doesn't CARE , until the storm.

Do you think the $300 a month boater would pay $500 a month for a reasonably safe dock ?

DREAM ON!

I'm sure they WON'T , until the named storm comes within a few days , then they will demand a discount for a weeks dock rental.

Over the years I have seen dozens of boats , sold to the insurance co , by the owner.

When a hurricane is in the cards , and the owner uses old 1/2 line to tie to a sound mooring , what else is it ?
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:14 AM   #26
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The point is there doesn't seem to be any controlling body that requires a marina to be in compliance to some standard.* The average boat owner doesn't know if the dock he is renting for $300 a month will hold his boat or not and most marina just don't do much after the initial build in the way of replacing out dated docks.

Maybe insurance companies could have an incentive program for marinas to improve their docks to a set standard with a discount on their premium or rate.

Vinny, great point.* Look at the dock cleat that I found attached to a friends mid-ship deck cleat. I think that this particular floating dock was installed nearly 20 years ago.* You can see that there is almost nothing left of the galvanized bolt.* When the cleat was in place it looked very secure!

I am starting to hear that many newer docks are using SS hardware.* However, I have bought some very substandard SS hardware that came apart in about 2 years of exposure to a salty air environment.* The stuff was probably some cheap Chinese SS that really shouldn't have been called SS.
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Old 09-20-2008, 04:23 AM   #27
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But requiring them ( seat belts)solved the problem.

Nope ,

Gov force and fraud , the threat of a ticket or loosing ones license by any cop that thinks he didnt see a seat belt , and an internal buzzer "solved the problem".


"The point is there doesn't seem to be any controlling body that requires a marina to be in compliance to some standard. "

NO problem , but that $300 slip may cost $2,300 , and to insure the "Other" renters you may have to provide a monthly fitness survey , proof of $3,000,000 liability insurance, only use gov rated dock lines and all the rest.

I have attempted to work with with Co that HAD gov contracts.

IMPOSSIBLE.

A small yard that could crank out a nice 70 ft steel head boat would ordinarily have 4 guys a building and 2 in the front office , one "a girl" the other the foreman , responsible for ordering the materials and overseeing the job.

AFTER a single Gov contract , the same 4 guys would still be hammering away , but 15 to 20 would be in the front office , filling out papaerwork.

Guess what the price of a newbuild went to?

And you want Gov Approved docks?




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Old 10-04-2008, 06:02 AM   #28
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RE: Hurricane Ike

I put some more up at my site over the past few days: http://www.flickr.com/photos/keith77/

Also, here are all the links I've collected. They contain lots of pictures of all the damage from personal viewpoints.
http://jakeabby.com/cb/*Mostly Crystal Beach area
http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2...icane-ike.html
*http://tinyurl.com/4ng5ds**Pleasure Island, Port Arthur, TX - Bud Byram's house
http://picasaweb.google.com/ehmorrell/HurricaneIke# Pictures of the area taken from a boat. Lots of sunken boats and marina damage.
http://www.tpicks.com/pictures%20peo...sent%20me.html*Probably the largest collection, taken from all over.
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/200...l_life_of.html*Story and 28 photos from the Boston Globe.
http://rklowe.zenfolio.com/p219036363*Lots of boat and marina pictures, taken from the water.
http://rklowe.zenfolio.com/p194264673*Another batch, taken from land.

Keep in mind this was only a strong category 2 hurricane. Imagine what a hit from a cat. 4 would do...
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