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Old 06-17-2016, 07:52 PM   #1
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How many dock lines?

I could use some experienced advice from the collective wisdom of TF.

I have a 2010 North Pacific 43'. I have way too many dock lines on board so am going to take some off the boat and free up some lazarrette space. I have permanent dock lines that stay on my home dock. I am NOT talking about those.

How many lines, and of what length, should I carry with me when I leave my home slip. I would use them for tying to docks while away and the occasional rafting with another boat. I don't need lines for locking.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:22 PM   #2
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I'd say 4. 2 about 10ft and 2 about 15ft. How many do you have now?
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:22 PM   #3
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I have 5 docklines and 4 other lines, 3 lighter (1/2 inch, 3 strand) at 50 and 100 foot lengths. Plus one 50 footer at 1 inch.


The 5 docklines get used all the time, the others are for emergencies or storms...the 1 inch, 50 footer (old towboat towline piece) gets used more than any extra line where stretch and chafe aren't wanted if things goes south.


My docklines are 2-15ft, 2-30ft and 1-40ft.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:24 PM   #4
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I would carry 2 about the length of the boat 40-50 feet and at least 2 a little shorter - say 30'.

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Old 06-17-2016, 08:32 PM   #5
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What did you have on the Catalina?
What do you have at your dock?

For that boat, I would probably have 8 + 1.
2 sets of 4 for each side (or spares).
Bow
Stern
Spring X 2
+ 1 for mooring buoy.
Length I can't answer because I don't know how many or where your cleats are but I would want each line long enough to go to the dock cleat or bull rail and back. Springs long enough also to go to the same dock cleat as bow /stern if needed. Just guessing here but what; bow & stern 20-30' springs 40-50'?

Then, just for fun, I might throw in a couple more, shorter ones.
Have I caught up to the "way too many" you have now?

I like lots of lines. Always somebody needs a loaner.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:33 PM   #6
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If you always tie alongside, 4 lines are adequate...tie in a slip where there is a lot of wind or tide...the fifth line comes in handy as a spring...some marinas are quite adamant about it.
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:35 PM   #7
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I could use some experienced advice from the collective wisdom of TF.

I have a 2010 North Pacific 43'. I have way too many dock lines on board so am going to take some off the boat and free up some lazarrette space. I have permanent dock lines that stay on my home dock. I am NOT talking about those.

How many lines, and of what length, should I carry with me when I leave my home slip. I would use them for tying to docks while away and the occasional rafting with another boat. I don't need lines for locking.
Always better to have a few extra lines onboard for those unforeseen moments. I do agree however somethings we tend to have too many. If rafting up you would generally just need Bow, Stern and Springer lines, other vessels will also have lines as well most likely. So 3 main lines plus 3 spares should be plenty for any trips done. I would vary the length also a bit, no need for a 15m line just holding stern to stern so a couple of 5m lines 2 x 15m and 2 x 20m should cover you for most occasions. A few good fenders also come in very handy
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Old 06-17-2016, 08:38 PM   #8
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We have 6 cleats so we carry 6 lines on board. Probably overkill but we are comfortable with it. Of course, they all came with the tub.
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I use four on each side (on bow and stern and two amid-ship), assuming there are tie-ons on both sides.
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Five the same length as your vessel.

One bow, one stern to dock from outside boat cleat.

Two springs.

One for tying to an outside pile if available and necessary.

No sense going shorter than vessel length, as you don't want to be worrying about grabbing the wrong length.
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:04 PM   #11
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Good suggestions. In my own mind I was thinking 2 long and 2 short as well.

To be honest, I didn't even know how many lines I got with this boat. Here it is, all black double braid. The lengths are approximate as I don't feel like going out onto the dock in the rain to measure accurately but I think they are 20 and 40 feet.
5/8" x 20' - 4
5/8" x 40' - 1
3/4" x 20' - 5
3/4" x 40' - 3
1/2" x 20' - 1

I also have a couple extra lines left over from my sailboat, as well as lots of extra 3 strand dock lines, as well as a few extra double braid at home in my garage.

Btw, none of those lines are lines for use with mooring balls or anchor bridles, those are forward.
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My boatyard provides a bottle of wine or length of rope after each service. Now having sufficient lines, I choose the wine. I get a charge telling my guest that this bottle of wine cost $8,000,
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Old 06-17-2016, 09:18 PM   #13
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Our traveling lines for normal use are four 5/8" x 50' (boat length) and two 75' for spring lines. For storm use we also have four 3/4" x 50'. All braid.

We also carry 300' of 1/2" for stern tying.
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At the home dock I have 2 bow, 2 stern, and 2 spring lines. Works in either a traditional slip or side tie. I have a second identical set for cruising. In addition I probably have 6 other lines for things like towing and rafting. If I side tie in an area where rafting is required, I want enough lines and fenders between my boat and the dock, and my boat and the village idiot who may be rafting off of me.

It's a good idea to clean and inventory your lines once a year. Inherited some spare lines with the boat that had been in the lazarrette so long, they were stiff as wire rope.

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Old 06-17-2016, 09:26 PM   #15
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We also carry 300' of 1/2" for stern tying.
Are your serious? Please explain.

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Are your serious? Please explain.

We do a lot of cruising in rivers. Frequently we need to tie the stern to something ashore to keep from swinging into the channel.
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We do a lot of cruising in rivers. Frequently we need to tie the stern to something ashore to keep from swinging into the channel.
Yeah, Mark. If you'd come into the Delta with Al and me this summer, it would all become clear!
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Still, 300 feet!

Last time, we simply anchored in 12 feet of water.

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Still, 300 feet!
I agree, way too short.
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Keep your old anchor rode for stern tying to shore, or buy someone else's if you have chain.
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