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Old 09-26-2015, 07:24 PM   #21
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I agree with you, except for the first line.

The relevancy to the situation is that there was at least "some" planning involved. As such, and especially with Helo's and FW craft available, weather forecasts, comms, et al, there's no reason he should have been "surprised" by the fog bank. That's all I meant.

You get surprised when you come around a bend on an otherwise beautiful day, and there it is!
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Other than that, I'm on board with your statement 100%.
He's still responsible for his actions.
A Marine board of inquiry is going to hold the operator responsible. The fact that its a fundraiser is relevant, how? The CG boats are also irrelevant. The rules of the road only address 2 vsls with respect to maneuvering. Coast Guard presence will not reduce his liability.
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Old 09-26-2015, 07:38 PM   #22
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I guess I don't see how some guy going fast in a boat is likely to "inspire" cancer sufferers. I find those loud, intrusive, useless vessels to be more annoying than inspirational, and if I were suffering from cancer, I think I'd feel even more annoyed. But that's just me. And, apparently, Murray.
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Old 09-27-2015, 02:13 AM   #23
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This is the shipping lane in Rosario Strait. I was comfortable going 4-6 kts, even though I could "see" with radar and AIS, making full use of the plotter and autopilot, any faster made me uneasy.
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:09 PM   #24
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A Marine board of inquiry is going to hold the operator responsible. The fact that its a fundraiser is relevant, how? The CG boats are also irrelevant. The rules of the road only address 2 vsls with respect to maneuvering. Coast Guard presence will not reduce his liability.
That looks like video proof of wreckless boating. As someone else pointed out, that buoy could just as easily have been an family in a boat, fishing. Multiple fatalities. I think prison time would not be out of line.
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Old 09-29-2015, 07:55 PM   #25
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Stupid, stupid, stupid. Obviously the event should have been cancelled due to unfavorable weather conditions. The "show" must not necessarily go on.
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:47 PM   #26
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Rules of the road are clear

The original question was "how fast with low visibility"?

Rule 19 " Conduct in restricted visibility" is clear on the matter.

"Every vessel shall proceed at a safe speed adapted to the prevailing circumstances and conditions of restricted visibility"

This applies to every vessel small, large, sail or power, fishing or towing. It's all fine until there is an accident, but then defending your actions will be damn near impossible..................Arctic Traveller
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Old 09-30-2015, 12:10 AM   #27
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How fast? You tell me. I got caught out in this fog a few years ago while enroute back to our club. In the first picture I am passing beneath a bridge.



In this pic below I'm about to enter a narrow, shallow entrance to a bay. Directly in front of the boat is a tree on the right bank of the inlet. I'm just a couple of boat lengths away and am just barely able to see the tree and the breakwater.

The second pic below shows the radar heading where I'm going. The black line is my lubber line, the red line is my COG. The angle between them is the angle I'm crabbing at to get across the current and into the opening. You can't really read it at the top but my SOG is 2.3kts, and that was plenty fast for me.




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Old 09-30-2015, 12:49 AM   #28
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A Marine board of inquiry is going to hold the operator responsible. The fact that its a fundraiser is relevant, how? The CG boats are also irrelevant. The rules of the road only address 2 vsls with respect to maneuvering. Coast Guard presence will not reduce his liability.
I think we're on separate freqs sayiing the same thing. I'm not considering his liability or the relevance of anything else.

My point was simply that the entire event could have been avoided with the resources he had available to him.

Criminal charges and marine boards of inquiry aside as to his liability, the fact is, he set out to raise money for a worthwhile cause, and the impending civil litigation that would arise had there been injuries could bankrupt him. At that point, he would have accomplished nothing. So much for using your $$ to help the kids!

Frankly, i think the stunt, as well meaning as it probably was, was stupid, ill conceived and dangerous.
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We snuck into the southernmost basin in Betteridge Inlet on Campania Island this summer. It's pretty tight and twisty through many small islets and narrow passages. Definitely had our full attention going in during daylight.

We stayed a couple days exploring the area, then heard there were 40 knot winds forecasted for Hecate Strait later the afternoon the next day.

We had to leave at high tide, so we either had to go by 4:30am the next morning or we might have been stuck there for who knows how many more days.

Thankful for our iPad and Navionics app!!!!!

This was the view of the pre sunrise glow of the eastern horizon as we got ready to leave...needless to say, we took it slow;
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While anchored outside Benicia Marina, observed this sailboat not displaying navigational lights nor making sounds..

PS: white boats don't show up well in fog.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the basic rule above.

A vessel should go no faster than will allow it to stop in one half of the visibility distance.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the basic rule above.

A vessel should go no faster than will allow it to stop in one half of the visibility distance.
High wire mentioned it on the 1st page
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High wire mentioned it on the 1st page
Oh yes, there it is. Worth repeating though.
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Can you even imagine being in that boat, at that speed, in that visibility? You'd have to realize that a crash is likely, if not even probable.

I wonder, if he would have been able to avoid the buoy, would that have been enough of a wake up call to terminate the trip, or would he have pressed on?
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