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Old 12-21-2013, 12:02 AM   #1
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How to define trawlers in listings?

I have been reviewing YW and other sites for my dream boat and I have been wondering when did all boats become "trawlers"? Seriously, it seems that every (what I used to think of as) motor yacht, sedan, convertibles and even quite a few tugs are now being listed as trawlers. Did I miss the memo on this?

Above the waterline We all know what a tug is supposed to look like. I personally think of a trawler as more closely looking like something modeled after a fishing vessel. (Shrimper or gill netter?). But when one try's to use "trawler" as a search parameter, it's amazing what listings show up. It sure is adding to an already complicated process of weeding out the boats not meeting some level of minimum requirements....

Any input would be appreciated.

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Old 12-21-2013, 12:50 AM   #2
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Gotta admit it is frustrating when you look for a trawler and either a sail boat or express cruiser comes up. Ultimately it's the listing broker inputting the keywords that causes this.

Boycotting any broker that can not understand what a keyword is to be used for is a nice thought but hardly practical. As a moderator on this forum I have moved probably 2,000+ threads posted in the wrong location so maybe it is more than just a broker problem?
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Old 12-21-2013, 01:16 AM   #3
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Gary, let it go. You'll eventually find what you seek. ... I found my "trawler." You will probably be successful too.

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Old 12-21-2013, 02:27 AM   #4
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Gary,
We can't even agree on this board what a trawler is. You can't really blame just the brokers (me). Case in point my boat, trawler to most but long "range motor yacht" or "long range motor cruiser", I forget which, to Mr DeFever. I can assure it's probably nothing nefarious on their part as they are excluding those misnamed boats from people searching them by their more accurate description. Most likely its laziness or outright confusion.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:38 AM   #5
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It is really simple. If the boat has much more than 100 or so horsepower (capable of exceeding "hull speed"), it's not a trawler. ... Most participants here have fast sedan cruisers. But that doesn't mean we can't be friends.
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Old 12-21-2013, 06:25 AM   #6
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Today most boats are very similar from the hull down.

A slow displacement boat can have a tug or trawler or motor yacht deck house stuck on.

The displacement crowd easily switches between deck house styles , so the broker is fine grouping boats with similar operating characteristics together.

The oxymoron >fast trawler< is simply a continuation of grouping similar boats together , this time big engines and semi displacement hull married to the trawler or tug style pilot house shape.

Many trawler folks eventually find out that a motor yacht configuration is a better fit for their desirements than the traditional trawler look.

Just ask the happy Bayliner folks.
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Folks this post was not meant to disparage any brokerage. Just seeking some clarification. So apologies offered if that occurred.

If I were to use autos as the example in a web search there would be the assumption that everyone visualizes the same thing if one says "truck" or "sedan" or "convertible", etc. Speed and engine size didn't affect what you visualized, the overall shape was still probably agreed upon.

Not a big deal, just wondered if there was something missed in trying to filter to the appropriate type. Trawler in and of itself is not definitive enough apparently with how many variations and opinions exist.

Another lesson learned.
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Old 12-21-2013, 08:01 AM   #8
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I agree that it's probably just "keyword" parameters that the brokers use, to attract your search engines. You want to get as much traffic to your site/listing as possible. As mentioned above, it's I doubt it's anything nefarious. After all, the buyer is eventually going to see the boat

I've found the same thing doing my searches. I enter "trawlers" and get everything from a fishing boats to million dollar yachts. Never know what's going to trip someone's trigger when they see it, so why not have them visit your listing, right?

It's actually helped in my searches.
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the overall shape was still probably agreed upon.

Yet the SUV is called a truck , to satisfy the air police.

Station wagons were banned by CAFE , even tho most get better gas mileage and ride better than a SUV.

On boats SPEED is the biggest fuel cost factor , space factor , ride factor , so folks will select what the think they want.
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:23 AM   #10
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My biggest irritation in my searches on YW is trying to exlude houseboats from the trawler search results. I can see some legitimate debate on what constitutes a trawler between some models, but if the "vessel" is a big rectangular box, that's not a trawler by anybody's definition. I wish YW and other listings had an option to exclude keywords.
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:49 AM   #11
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I agree that the ability to exclude undesired keywords would be nice. But don't count on it happening soon on Yachtworld. The brokers pay for it, so they get what they want.

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In your search, zero in on a manufacture name instead of the word "trawler". We never refer to our boat as a trawler....
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My own opinion is that a true "trawler" should have a pure full displacement hull, regardless of the deck furnishings or decor. Horsepower or number of engines is not a factor, lots of working trawl boats have big engines and multiple engines. What a "trawler" does not do is plane, in any form, now matter how much fuel you burn. The word "semi" used in the hull description precludes a hull from being pure full displacement and by default is not a trawler hull, no matter how slow I drive it or how much I want to be in the club. I own boats on both ends of the spectrum, and am in no way an expert, just my opinion. This, and some money, will get you a cup of coffey.
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For those that are coming up with undesireable boats on yachworld, put in a few traits that houseboats and many motor yachts don't/mostly don't have and it may work a lot better....

also it looking for some very specific trawlers...target those with very limited spec searches....works for me...
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My own opinion is that a true "trawler" should have a pure full displacement hull, regardless of the deck furnishings or decor. Horsepower or number of engines is not a factor....
This is what I've believed heretofore. ;-)
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target those with very limited spec searches....works for me...

Great for your 5th purchase , but hardly useful for the wannabee that is just starting to get an education.
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Scary to think someone is getting an education from Yachtworld.....
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We'll if you think trawlers only have full displacement hulls look on trawler forum and see that 95% of the boats represented are not full displacement. There is the odd trawler that is full displacement though.
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We'll if you think trawlers only have full displacement hulls look on trawler forum and see that 95% of the boats represented are not full displacement. There is the odd trawler that is full displacement though.
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