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Old 06-02-2012, 07:36 PM   #1
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How the "Big Boys" fly flags

Leastwise on Princess Cruises cruise ships.

Left to right (port to starboard):
Private flag (Princess Cruises)
Alpha -- diver down (diver inspecting hull, preparatory to dry docking)
Bravo -- dangerous cargo (in this instance, "I'm refueling")
Courtesy provincial flag -- British Columbia
Courtesy ensign -- Canada



Private flag
Q -- request pratique (immigration clearance)
Courtesy state flag -- California
Courtesy ensign -- USA



Private flag
Hotel -- pilot aboard
Courtesy state flag -- Alaska
Courtesy ensign -- USA



National ensign -- Bermuda

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Old 06-02-2012, 08:50 PM   #2
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If you are interested in this stuff, then Lindsay Lord's classic "Nautical Etiquette and Customs" is a nice resource:
Amazon.com: Nautical Etiquette and Customs (9780870333569): Lindsay Lord: Books
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:51 PM   #3
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If these are indeed correctly displayed, very nice to see. I wouldn't know. I wonder how many of us could "read" flags today. Not me (although at a young age I did learn the "flag alphabet" as well as "boxing" the compass, both of which pieces of now arcane knowledge have long dissipated into the ether). Until the end of the 19th century (not that long ago for some of us whose grand parents were alive then), flags (and lights) at sea and in port were THE method of communicating ship to ship and ship to/from shore. We've come a long way baby in a short time. Or have we?
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:46 PM   #4
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I had to learn all 40 of them to get my Surface Warfare pin in the Navy. I can still recognize enough of them to read them.

To get our Signalmen to sign us off we would have to find the one flag out of order in our dress ship sequence. And then fix it.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:16 PM   #5
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Leastwise on Pacific Cruises cruise ships.
Gimme a break. I meant Princess Cruises.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:18 PM   #6
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If these are indeed correctly displayed, very nice to see. I wouldn't know. I wonder how many of us could "read" flags today.
Flags: continuous (as long as flown) and silent (thank you) communication.
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Old 06-03-2012, 01:46 AM   #7
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If these are indeed correctly displayed ...
They are professional sailors, subject to law and its penalties. So, what are the odds the flags are incorrectly displayed?
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:37 AM   #8
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Note where Princess flies their own flag, at the Port spreader, not at the bow staff.
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They are professional sailors, subject to law and its penalties. So, what are the odds the flags are incorrectly displayed?
thanks for the post and true nautical interest...

but.......I can't resist...

you mean like these professional sailors...


The captain and second officer of a container ship that ran aground last year, resulting in New Zealand's worst maritime environmental disaster, were jailed for seven months.
Maritime New Zealand said in a statement Friday that skipper Mauro Balomaga and Navigator Leonil Relon — both Philippines nationals — were found guilty of a total of 11 offences, including operating a vessel in a manner causing unnecessary danger or risk, discharging harmful substances, and willfully attempting to pervert the course of justice by altering ship's documents subsequent to the grounding.
The cargo vessel, Rena, hit a reef off Tauranga in clear conditions on Oct. 5, 2011, spilling at least 350 tons of fuel into the sea, killing thousands of sea birds and contaminating the pristine beaches of Tauranga's Bay of Plenty.

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Gimme a break. I meant Princess Cruises.
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I couldn't help but notice the US Ensign was one size under the California flag in one of those pics. (might just be perspective)

There is very deliberate attention to flag precidence on ships. Even when dressing the ship for special occasions (code flags), there is a VERY particular order in which they are displayed. They are double checked each time.
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Old 06-03-2012, 11:38 AM   #12
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So screw the flags which no one pays attention to anyway these days. How was your cruise and what did you see or experience that was new to you?
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So screw the flags which no one pays attention to anyway these days. How was your cruise and what did you see or experience that was new to you?
It was great. Had the kind of weather you (Marin) enjoy. Winds up to 70 knots over the deck. It was cold and it rained at every PNW port except Victoria and Skagway, fortunately not Skagway, the only time I left the ship to take a narrow-gauge train trip to British Columbia for a second time.



Cruises always seem to visit Victoria, Ketchikan, and Juneau.

For the FOURTH time did not see Tracy Arm. Went to Endicott Arm again. Seems there is always fog, too much ice, or it's too crowded in TA. Endicott Arm, still spectacular:



The piano player (Larry/Laurence Dunsmore) was great and enjoyed his singing, playing, and joking as much as we did on our last Alaskan Cruise two years ago.

Regardless, flag watching was interesting.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:28 PM   #14
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Note where Princess flies their own flag, at the Port spreader, not at the bow staff.
There was a small flag on the bow staff, but never got a good view of it.
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For several years six of the steel coaches used on the White Pass excursion train sat in the yard of a small metal fabrication shop in the Skagit River delta. The trucks for the coaches sat next to them. I have no idea what was being done to them. We drove by them every weekend. They were all painted and lettered. I don't know if the shop had a contract to refurbish them or what. Then one day they were gone.
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Hmmm brings back memories. Last time I was there ( 5yrs ago ) was with my only sister who since passed but it was a highlight for our family reunion. Just awesome scenery.

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For several years six of the steel coaches used on the White Pass excursion train sat in the yard of a small metal fabrication shop in the Skagit River delta. The trucks for the coaches sat next to them. I have no idea what was being done to them. We drove by them every weekend. They were all painted and lettered. I don't know if the shop had a contract to refurbish them or what. Then one day they were gone.
The WP&Y always seems like it's reconditioning old and building new coaches. Its fleet of cars seems to continually increase, well beyond the number of original, truly-authentic old-time cars of its own and defunct railroads like Sumpter Valley (Oregon) RR's round-roofed cars.
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The coaches in the fabricator's yard were steel with a simple curved roof.
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The coaches in the fabricator's yard were steel with a simple curved roof.
Yes, they're following the Sumpter's design on selected cars. See Rails, Sagebrush and Pine by Mallory Hope Ferrell as published by Golden West Books (have a 1967 copyright version).
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Yes, they're following the Sumpter's design on selected cars. See Rails, Sagebrush and Pine by Mallory Hope Ferrell as published by Golden West Books (have a 1967 copyright version).

So do I, along with about twenty bazilion other RR books. But it's been a long time since I've looked at it so I'll have to check out the SVRR's coaches. I have an HOn3 brass model of one of their 2-6-6-2s that they acquired from the Uintah and converted to tender use.
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