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Old 03-23-2015, 11:42 AM   #21
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For most if not all of us North and South American MV owners the annual volume of fuel burned represents a small % of boat ownership costs. Let us cheer on the 15 or more GPH users knowing they are the ones keeping the marinas, boat repair places, builder's yards and marine development business going. Those of us burning less than 5 GPH cannot sustain the marine industry as we know it.
What would help the marinas, boat repair places, yards, etc. is increased boat ownership among the masses. I was reviewing siomewhat dated stats from the National Marine Manufacturers Association and excluding PWCs, US boat registrations have been relatively flat since 1990 or so (despite increasing population). The average power boat owner is almost 10 years older than they were in 1998. Industry volume in 1965 was roughly 300,000 and was a mere 139,000 in 2010. Fortunately, it appears sales have increased in recent years but we very much need more boaters on the water and that will only happen when we see the income gap close.
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Old 03-23-2015, 11:52 AM   #22
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For most if not all of us North and South American MV owners the annual volume of fuel burned represents a small % of boat ownership costs. Let us cheer on the 15 or more GPH users knowing they are the ones keeping the marinas, boat repair places, builder's yards and marine development business going. Those of us burning less than 5 GPH cannot sustain the marine industry as we know it.
Not sure I agree with that. Mark up on fuel is a great deal lower than most other services. After the 2008 crash, most marine operations changed their profit points to services and dockage as fuel consumption by volume dropped by up to 80%. While fuel sales represent a significant dollar volume, dockage represents a higher gross profit by percentage and volume.

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Old 03-23-2015, 01:49 PM   #23
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I'll tend to agree with both of you on marinas and fuel. The nature of marinas has changed over the years and is split among many types.

Destination or tourist marinas make a large amount of money from fuel. By that I'm referring to areas like the Bahamas or Grand Cayman. Places where people fuel away from home. Some coastal marinas get the benefit as well, but many of those customers fuel before starting on the trip and then when back home. Fueling a boat with 10,000 gallons is very profitable.

However, marinas at home areas, less so. The reason is that those filling the tanks of larger boats and needing 5,000 gallons and above are 90% probable to use fuel trucks. I hate it for the marinas, but we live in Fort Lauderdale and the only time we've ever purchased fuel at a marina here is when we went through an entire fuel supply in sport boat in one day. 500 gallons and above has all been fuel truck or fuel barge. So many of those marinas are thrilled to get the fuel sipper when they do need to fuel.

At one time the difference in price between a truck and marina was $0.20 - $0.30 per gallon. Today it's over $1.00. Fuel deliveries by truck is becoming commonplace in more and more areas.

The other trend in certain areas has been for most marinas to not offer fuel and the petroleum company fuel at one marina or dock. The majority of city marinas also don't offer fuel.
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Old 03-24-2015, 08:10 PM   #24
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If you have more than a 3/8" fuel line, you ain't sippin.

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I wonder what size fuel line this guy runs?

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Old 03-24-2015, 08:26 PM   #25
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Old 03-24-2015, 08:31 PM   #26
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I'm happy with low fuel-consumption and its relative low cost compared to ownership. Taking the boat out has little cost consequence (at less than two gallons of fuel per hour.) Repeating myself: going boating doesn't cost much more than I am already spending not taking the boat out. Besides, the engine is "happier" the more frequently I work it.
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:00 PM   #27
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:28 PM   #28
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I wonder what size fuel line this guy runs?

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This is definitely contra-trawler where the whole concept is to have full living accommodations without having a large fuel bill while transiting.
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Old 03-24-2015, 09:41 PM   #29
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This is definitely contra-trawler where the whole concept is to have full living accommodations without having a large fuel bill while transiting.

I'm still willing to bet his fuel bill is small compared to the rest of his annual operating expenses. I couldn't afford to pay it but then neither could I tote the note on that thing either. Sure is purdy though up on plane.
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:52 AM   #31
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I wonder what size fuel line this guy runs?

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Old 03-25-2015, 10:17 AM   #32
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Boat in my avatar .... 55hp Westerbeke (Perkins), 7/8 of a gallon per hour at 1800rpm (max 2400) at 8 nautical miles per hour ..... my kind of sippin'
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Old 03-25-2015, 06:33 PM   #33
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Boat in my avatar .... 55hp Westerbeke (Perkins), 7/8 of a gallon per hour at 1800rpm (max 2400) at 8 nautical miles per hour ..... my kind of sippin'
Very nice! What is your draft and displacement?

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Old 03-26-2015, 09:35 AM   #34
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Old 03-26-2015, 11:44 AM   #35
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VERY nice, Boatpoker. I always nice to see a trawler that actually looks like a trawler!
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Old 03-26-2015, 01:02 PM   #36
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I too saw that reference and it made me realize it's all relative.

When we made a stop in Nova Scotia, we docked next to another U.S.Bost from the Great Lakes.

He was lamenting that they had recently bought this boat, New, all plastic, Zeus drives, etc.
And while the boat could dance in circles,
It consumed 10 to 15 gallons per hour.
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Old 03-26-2015, 01:28 PM   #37
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3', 20,000lbs.
The rudder angle looks very unusual in the picture. The prop and prop shaft seem to be angled downward toward the stern, but the rudder shaft seems to be angled upward toward the bow as opposed to vertical. Must be an illusion from the camera angle. Very nice stern. Have always been partial to round sterns. Bet it tracks nicely in a following sea.

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It looks like the rudder is positioned perpendicular to the hull and with the resultant laminar flow of water slipping past the transom. Nice!!
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3', 20,000lbs.
Do you have more pictures of this beauty?
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