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Old 05-19-2014, 10:32 PM   #41
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There are all levels of manufactured housing. The well built ones are not necessarily cheaper than stick built. It is hoped that the speed of the onsite build out will offset some of the cost. They are really useful at remote building sites. The good ones have to be strongly built. They can be lifted by crane without even cracking the sheetrock.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:45 AM   #42
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Manufactured homes are cheaper... that is the only reason they sell. period.

SO WRONG,

First they actually need to be far stronger as the ride down the road if never smooth , so a 2 or 3 load must be absorbed , with out loosing shape.

Second they actually come out square and true , which can not be said for sticks & staples , ask any tile guy how many rooms are square.

With indoor construction it is easy to follow the omproved standards for hurricane construction the gov puts out.

Studs are glued to the outer sheathing if desired and the sheathing is easily doubled , and glued staggered to the first layer.

All FEMA designs for hurricane resistance. And LOWER insurance costa forever.

The box units allow multiple cables to run down from the roof peak , to anchor in the footings.

FEMA again. Keeps the roof on.

The joy of this is there is minor extra labor , so its a simple option for the builder., for those with the buyers knowledge to pay for the option.

Sure a guy with a hammer could do similar work , but time is $$$ and lifting extra siding and gluing it on is a PIA compared to dropping it on to a flat wall. The siding is delivered on a cart, the glue from a gun (not a cartrige) , and simply flopped in place and nailed.Yes plywood instead of chip board is also an option.

Adding the required hurricane ties is also easier with the wall laying down flat , to meet the various codes.

AS most buildings are air cond , the workers have a far easier time with wiring and plumbing , not being drenched or baked.

Finally the fact that many many of these houses are similar makes ordering material in VOLUME! far easier (lowers cost when purchased by a rail car compared to a pick up) , and the repeat of worker skills makes mistakes less common than with sticks.

For the tree-huggers the waste is minor , compared to the dumpster loads of the rush rush subcontractors.

With most houses being assembled and dry in a single day , the usual damage from the elements as 3 -4 months of cut and fit are avoided.
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I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder - but damn!

Some of our trawlers have lines that appeal to, shall we say, a limited but discerning public - however, there are limits.

This little number caught my eye while browsing the eBay listings the other day - it would, wouldn't it! Can't help feeling the designer realised he had drawn a butt-ugly boat and kept adding outrageous shapes in the hopes of a cure.
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Some of the housing that faired the best during Hurricane Andrew around Homestead were the basically plywood boxes built by Habitat for Humanity. Tied down hip roofs and walls with strong sheer bracing is tough to blow apart. Much modern modular housing is built on this principle, but with good aesthetic design that makes it hard to tell from conventional construction.
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Thread drift but.....

Some manufactured homes are much better than some stick built.

Some stick built if the builder does what it takes (none around south Jersey that I see) can be better.

Just like boats. Some production boats can be better than almost anything built...but there are some one offs that blow everything else away.

Generalizations are just that...boats or houses.....be careful what you say or defend if you want to come across as knowledgeable.

Certainly many custom home builders will defend their product...but watching one that's still open to weather get drenched day after day compared to one built into a factory makes one wonder which is better????....good builders make sure the important steps are protected...but only a few where I am.
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Talk about thread drift. BUT speaking of homes, I picked up a German client from the Airport, and as we're driving to the boat, he's looking around-very quietly, and finally asked "how long are these houses in American designed to last?"... I thought about it, and said "probably 30 years, as long as the 1st mortgage?"... he said- "that's what it looks like. In Germany where I'm a contractor we have codes that state 600 years, our walls are thick, yours look so thin". I told him this is a fast expanding country and up in Atlanta sky scrapers are built and torn down within 15 years. Of course-(speaking of Germans) it's why I've always (well since I could first afford one in my early 30's!) been a Mercedes man. (see, I'm going to drift this further) I used to own classic Caddies, but once I discovered Mercedes- I realized what crap they were. I could take the dash out of a Cadillac in 30 minutes taking my time, my first 280 SE- I discovered it took me a good ALL DAY long just to access the heater controls!! NO reason to build a car THAT good, but they did, and do. At over 100 mph, quiet and solid as a rock. There, from home built boats to houses, to Germans, to cars. lol--oh, that Bluewater above: Why do I have an urge to get out my sling shot?
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I remember checking out a brand new $500K stick built home a few years ago. It was the "model home".

As I walked up the front steps I couldn't help but notice that the weatherproof cover over the porch electrical outlet was installed upside down.

As I walked up the stairs I noticed that the trim on the octagonal window was off by nearly 1/2 inch at one corner.

Stick built homes are no better than the materials and craftsmanship used to build them. In these days of semi-skilled and possibly illegal alien labor and piece work pay, those factory built homes look better and better.
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Talk about thread drift. BUT speaking of homes, I picked up a German client from the Airport, and as we're driving to the boat, he's looking around-very quietly, and finally asked "how long are these houses in American designed to last?"... I thought about it, and said "probably 30 years, as long as the 1st mortgage?"... he said- "that's what it looks like. In Germany where I'm a contractor we have codes that state 600 years, our walls are thick, yours look so thin". I told him this is a fast expanding country and up in Atlanta sky scrapers are built and torn down within 15 years. Of course-(speaking of Germans) it's why I've always (well since I could first afford one in my early 30's!) been a Mercedes man. (see, I'm going to drift this further) I used to own classic Caddies, but once I discovered Mercedes- I realized what crap they were. I could take the dash out of a Cadillac in 30 minutes taking my time, my first 280 SE- I discovered it took me a good ALL DAY long just to access the heater controls!! NO reason to build a car THAT good, but they did, and do. At over 100 mph, quiet and solid as a rock. There, from home built boats to houses, to Germans, to cars. lol--oh, that Bluewater above: Why do I have an urge to get out my sling shot?
And the Germans are still only so smart...

Lot's of Victorian homes around the country that were nearly 100 years old and still had plenty of life in them have been torn down and McMansions built in their place...why????...because that's what the "population wanted".

So any expense going into many homes that would have them last more than 100 years may just be a waste of money.

I love some German engineering...but their view of the world has been proven wrong every century and sometimes twice in one..... as long as man has been around.
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OK, here goes.

I have driven Mercedes for 44 years. I have owned several boats over 40 years. I have worked for some of the largest building material manufacturers in the US. In fact, one had a division that did manufactured housing both panelized and modular. I have been a licensed builder for 40 years. So, I have a little experience from where I speak about these subjects.

Mercedes are great cars, but because of electronics not as good as they once were. As PK said, my first 1970 280SE was built like a tank. My 280SEL 4.5 was a dream car. Sabres are great boats. Manufactured housing can be of great quality. I will put our stick built product up against any of the best. That has kept us in business 40 years. Never started out to be the biggest, but offer the best product we could even if it was a limited market.

Quality is where you find it be it cars, boats, or houses. Buyer beware!
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I love some German engineering...but their view of the world has been proven wrong every century and sometimes twice in one..... as long as man has been around.
Their view wasn't proven wrong, they were just outnumbered then by others who hadn't then learned what they knew. A Brazilian was over today lamenting how Brazil is turning into Venezuela as (coming soon to America) those who vote for a living outnumber those who work for a living.

And as Forest Gump said-"that's all I'm going to say about that".
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, 300SEL 6.3 (never had suspension problems either!)
PK, you must have had a little guy in the trunk with a bicycle pump.

I am licensed in Florida, but have only done commercial work down there. Unfortunately, I don't know the metal shops in the area.
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Back in the day , I has a MB 300SL Roadster.

This was the roadster version of the famous Gull Wing.

A 1970 price of $107 wholesale, for just the distributor cap was enough to say forgetaboutit , and sell the beauty.

After all it was my daily ride , not a collector item back then.
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Back in the day , I has a MB 300SL Roadster.
Hmm. Back in my day, the best I could do is a 190SL for 600 bucks, but later I did have a 230 and a 250 Coupe. I looked around quite a while for a low-mileage 300CDT but they're too collectable now. A 280SL wouldn't hurt my feelings.

Back to the original post though, I looked back through the archives and found this sailboat that a couple de-keeled and wanted a pilothouse design low enough to clear bridges in German canals. This is the Photoshop rendition they liked best. I moved back to the States without seeing the finished product, but its demonstrates that a pilothouse doesn't always have to offend the original form. Click on photo for larger picture.
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I've never cared for MB. "Back in the day" my best friend had a 53 300 sedan and my 48 Roadmaster Buick could run circles around his IRS Benz.

Thanks for this post. I think a converted sailboat would make a good seaworthy and very efficient trawler. As I've said I was headed in that direction at one point.
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We drive an Escalade, a Lexus RX 300, and a Mercedes CLK for fun. I am not too excited about German engineering. That Mercedes is so complicated it's ridiculous. Two sets of lug nuts (well, lug bolts, not nuts) just to change a tire. If that over-engineering got you solid reliability that would be one thing, but if I had to go on a long trip I would trust the Lexus first, Escalade second, and the Mercedes a distant last to get me there.

After a year I still can't figure out how to set the climate controls, we can't turn off the cell phone system trouble report light, and we can't figure out how to get the tray properly closed in the center console.
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We drive an Escalade, a Lexus RX 300, and a Mercedes CLK for fun. I am not too excited about German engineering. That Mercedes is so complicated it's ridiculous. Two sets of lug nuts (well, lug bolts, not nuts) just to change a tire. If that over-engineering got you solid reliability that would be one thing, but if I had to go on a long trip I would trust the Lexus first, Escalade second, and the Mercedes a distant last to get me there.

After a year I still can't figure out how to set the climate controls, we can't turn off the cell phone system trouble report light, and we can't figure out how to get the tray properly closed in the center console.
But is it still FUN?
They are overly complicated for sure, that was my earlier point, but by golly do the things last. As far as the cup holder pop up tray in the console: you have to first push down that incredibly engineered folding plastic drink holder first with your finger only on one point, then the cover will easily close IF the drink holder latches. Unfortunately plastic parts with many springs is a recipe for failure. Even back in their cars in the 60s and 70s, they would install plastic heater control handles mounted in super well engineered mounts-that would repeatedly break, requiring a good 8 hours to replace. But when you're quietly rolling at 150 mph you forget the plastic. Mercedes are like your girlfriends and wives-you gotta keep reminding yourself they're capable of being a lot of fun if operated properly. The Lexus is like the cleaning woman-reliable.
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What's this "cleaning woman sh#t?

I must have the wrong address.
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What's this "cleaning woman sh#t?

I must have the wrong address.
You have a Escalade, Lexus, and a Benz, you have a cleaning woman. BTW- I married mine 4 years ago, and it was the best decision I ever made.
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