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Old 05-18-2014, 10:31 AM   #21
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It seems you don't like the yacht we're all drilling over. I'll see if I can whip up an anchor thread for your applied enjoyment and indulgence.

I think I've discovered the reasonable fix for what ails the conversion. Make the front of the wheelhouse convex or even rounded like a old tug. Then just make one of those side windows a different size or shape.

Mr H wrote "It takes the same materials to build a ugly home as it does a beautiful one"
Hard to notice as the're all made out of crap anyway. How would you like a boat made from materials purchased from Home Depoe?
I am not sure I totally understand... we are still talking about the boat pictured below correct?

So am I to assume that you think all the stuff H.Depot sells is crap?
Or that all homes are made out of crap?
Or?

The some of the same basic materials are used on the cheapest runabout as the most expensive Nordhavn, but is a different way.

I guess I was not clear enough, the builder or the below boat clearly did not have the "eye" when it came to design, he could of made the vessel less offensive to the eye had he known how. Sometimes home builders of boats take a inexpensive starter hull and mod it to their preference and make it worth less then the original hull.

I walk past a Cargile cutter boat on my way to my boat.. a production boat that the dealers that sold them originally must of been barely able to keep from laughing in the face of prospective buyers.

There are plenty of beautiful boats out there.. no reason to own a fugly one!
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Old 05-18-2014, 11:30 AM   #22
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Nice bootstripe work on that Cargile!

We should revive the ugly boat thread...
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:04 PM   #23
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Greetings,
What everyone is seeming to forget. He or she is a boater.
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Old 05-18-2014, 12:10 PM   #24
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Yep, the owner of that boat might even be a member here. As long as it meets the owner's needs, why make fun of it?
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A week ago or so I bought 2 pcs of plywood from Home Depot and part of my comments stem from that I spoze. It's not Doug fir and whatever it is it warps badly what ever I do w it.

And I'll admit the converted sailboat and the Cargile are hard to look at. The intended market for the Cargile was as a substitute for a travel trailer so it didn't have much beauty to beat.

And beautiful houses can be made out of Bamboo or w some imagination a bunch of pallets. But you must admit that houses are made out of the cheapest materials that can be found. They build them w OSB instead of plywood ... in the rain. Everything is the absolute minimum that will sell. Economy is so important now that they rarely build two story houses. A box shaped house looses the least heat. Another example of how the almighty buck dictates what a house will look like and what it will be built of. The "eye of the designer is what makes the difference" .. what difference? They all look just the same. Of course that's not true of high end houses but most houses are low end.

Speaking of low end most houses where we live aren't even stick built. Our house and most around here are manufactured houses. I like our house in the inside but the outside looks really cheap and "bare bones".

But inbetween the upper end and the lower end many houses are at least interesting to some extent by their design but the're probably still made out of the cheapest stuff available.

No I don't think all of what Home Depot has is crap. We actually shop there a lot. Lowe's is just about the same but I much prefer HD. ??

Another visual bad about the converted sailboat is the over sized roof.

The plywood I bought at HD was 15/32nd. I suspect it wasn't made in the US. Does anyone know?
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Talk about thread creep.

The reason homes (and boats) are made as inexpensively as possible is so they can be sold in a competitive market. Nobody calls his real-estate (or yacht) broker and asks to see the most expensive thing on the market.

And if OSB works as well as plywood for home building, what purpose does using more expensive plywood serve? OSB also makes better use of trees than plywood.
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A week ago or so I bought 2 pcs of plywood from Home Depot and part of my comments stem from that I spoze. It's not Doug fir and whatever it is it warps badly what ever I do w it.

And I'll admit the converted sailboat and the Cargile are hard to look at. The intended market for the Cargile was as a substitute for a travel trailer so it didn't have much beauty to beat.

And beautiful houses can be made out of Bamboo or w some imagination a bunch of pallets. But you must admit that houses are made out of the cheapest materials that can be found. They build them w OSB instead of plywood ... in the rain. Everything is the absolute minimum that will sell. Economy is so important now that they rarely build two story houses. A box shaped house looses the least heat. Another example of how the almighty buck dictates what a house will look like and what it will be built of. The "eye of the designer is what makes the difference" .. what difference? They all look just the same. Of course that's not true of high end houses but most houses are low end.

Speaking of low end most houses where we live aren't even stick built. Our house and most around here are manufactured houses. I like our house in the inside but the outside looks really cheap and "bare bones".

But inbetween the upper end and the lower end many houses are at least interesting to some extent by their design but the're probably still made out of the cheapest stuff available.

No I don't think all of what Home Depot has is crap. We actually shop there a lot. Lowe's is just about the same but I much prefer HD. ??

Another visual bad about the converted sailboat is the over sized roof.

The plywood I bought at HD was 15/32nd. I suspect it wasn't made in the US. Does anyone know?
Most Ac/CDX ply is now 15/32.. not sure why

Actually OSB doesn't work all that well, it acts as a sponge and will wick water feet from a leak around a window.. right to the point it COMPLETELY rots and turns to dust. I quit using OSB products in my custom homes about five years ago after I saw the results of a leak due to neglect by the owner. The only thing we use OSB for is to make temporary walks to our homes under construction in rainy weather. A large percentage of OSB is made from fast growing plantation tree stock that has no natural rot resistance.

We never buy wood products at H.Depot as they sell " consumer" grade and it's not worthy of a high end custom home. Fortunately we have a amazing resource here for wood, both fro frame construction ( DF #2 or better and select structural) and of course Edensaw Woods is in my back yard and is the largest supplier of exotic hardwoods in the country.. I am truly spoiled.

Of course I am referring to the level of quality in our homes that would equate to Nordhavn or some of the other U.S. high end custom builders of
boats... not tract homes.

Below is a pic of one of our homes with clear VG Cedar 10" siding, the railings on the deck are also clear VG Cedar... no H.Depot stuff here!

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Its not that this ex sail boat appeals to me, but things can be done to change its appearance. If you are going to go funky why not do it up. My art is terrible but what I am trying to show is vertical wood planking T&G and a forward sloped front of house with two large windows and a small riding -motor sail rig.
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The vessel in question looks to be modified by an accountant.

(Said by a retired accountant. If you don't believe me, check California's Department of Consumer Affairs records available on the Internet.)
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Say what you may about these, one crossed the Atlantic Ocean as a marketing stunt back when they were new. That's impressive. I kind of like them myself. You aren't going to find more interior volume "bang for the buck" than one of these. I can see Krogen looking at one of these when he designed the Mantaee, and said "hmmm".
Put a big Yamaha 4 stroke outboard on a bracket (if the transoms will hold it), then put the whole rig on a Aluminum trailer and go cruising.

Ugly boats are like bad haircuts. So what? I can't see one if I got one can I? And as I pointed out to my 27 yro son the other day, that NEVER ever has a strange girl stopped us to compliment us on a great haircut, BUT we've both "pulled" pretty girls-who stopped us to ask "who the hell gave you that awful haircut?" BOOM...got em. Who needs a "line", when a bad haircut will do. I think that's why kids wear pants down around their ass, just so strangers will yell at them, and make human contact. So ugly boats CAN get the job done, as well, if not better than a pretty one-if the job is to have a good time and go places.
Like these ugly boats we're talking about.. No threads here mentioning ANY normal looking boats are there? That's because normal is just so- normal.
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Say what you may about these, one crossed the Atlantic Ocean as a marketing stunt back when they were new. ...
Sorry. Not for me. I prefer decks near floating-dock level and a bridge closer to the center of rotation, for obvious reasons.

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I would have to say that the Cargile is better at being at dock level NO matter the dock heights. High tide OR low tide, or floating dock level (we don't have many of those here in Florida), or seawall height. That old girl has VARIETY of levels to choose from.
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Hope you all like/prefer your boats as much as I do mine.
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I like a boat that is a bit unusual, not mass produced, and doesn't fit into most categories. But I still want it seaworthy. (That Coronado has 3 out of 4)

That is why mine fits me perfectly. Not really a sail boat, not a cruiser, not a trawler; just my boat, and it does what I ask of her.

I hang around TF just because you guys have better quality criticism compared to most forums.
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>I like our house in the inside but the outside looks really cheap and "bare bones".<

I think I know why.

When we were kids in the 1st grade and drew a house picture it was usually a black crayon for the outline and then colored in the rest with other crayons.

The trim today on many houses is white as is the window and door framing.
This creates the cartoon look from the 1st grade.

Most new houses look as if they are set pieces for a kids model RR set , not homes for adults.

Manufactured homes are the future , far better built than most stick homes.

They can be created to most any standard , Miami Dade or Vermont R 70 roof.

The problem with most is the same as the pictured sailboat , someone cheaps out and does not higher a designer (NA) that has some artistic sense.

With modest bucks spent on the exterior trim , a stacked box manufactured house can be as pretty as any other.

Sadly many homes are designed from the inside out , so things like window placement come from the interior designer , not from a fellow with a good eye designing the exterior.

Same as boats where mere internal volume is a goal , because owners cant differentiate between mere volume and a useful interior .
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Thank thread creep (and this one hasn't creeped as much as many) for some really good and interesting conversation here. And AusCan let fly w the best "I hang around TF just because you guys have better quality criticism compared to most forums" remark Iv'e heard since Marin packed his bags.

And PK you're right there's something magic about unusual things that (no matter how good) common things just won't measure up to.

And you're right Ron wer'e bad boys to make fun of "that boat" but "making fun" could be a good thing as long as it's not at someone else's expense. So whose boat is it?
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Its not that this ex sail boat appeals to me, but things can be done to change its appearance. If you are going to go funky why not do it up. My art is terrible but what I am trying to show is vertical wood planking T&G and a forward sloped front of house with two large windows and a small riding -motor sail rig.
Sorry I'm not near my Photoshop program to enhance your idea, Ö.I see what you mean. Still, the roof is overwhelming and I think it was Tad Roberts that said the shape, size and style of windows is so critical to the character of any boat, or any modification for that matter. Since Tad's statement, I've been working on my own windows.
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For all the talk, she's someone's home and is actually being used most likely. How many boats (beautiful ones!) do you see docked, never leaving the slip, or worse yet, anchored and abandoned?

There's an abandoned boat here in Carrabelle that sank just last month. That's sad.

I know mine isn't spiffy -- I named her Seaweed 'cause she kind of grows on you -- and the sleek sports fish and the like... well, they are gorgeous. Mine's Seaweed. That one's Moss. It'll take longer, but from a look see, she's got great decks to walk around, a covered aft deck, and a place in the pilothouse to enjoy life afloat.

She's not ugly. She's got character.
In my opinion that is.

And she'll blow sideways in a wind -- but that's only going to be a problem when underway, or docking.
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The plywood I bought at HD was 15/32nd. I suspect it wasn't made in the US. Does anyone know?
Eric, without the grade and type plywood, it is hard to say. If it is C-D X it is probably southern yellow pine plywood. When I first got in the business we got our plywood from the west coast. In fact I bought many a car load from Crown Z, Anacortes Veneer, Roseburg, and many others. Today the South ships SYP plywood to the NW. You can look at the stamp on the back. It should have the mill #, so that you can look up where it was made.
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>I like our house in the inside but the outside looks really cheap and "bare bones".<

Manufactured homes are the future , far better built than most stick homes.

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Really?

I think common opinion is not with you on this one.

Manufactured homes are cheaper... that is the only reason they sell. period.

and they make really good tornado fodder!

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