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Old 10-15-2010, 10:21 PM   #1
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Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

My only experience in "commanding" a boat has been on sailboats with tillers, so forgive me naivety. ...

Note the relative position of the wheel and helmsman's chair on Willy, quite typical for trawlers.


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It seems to me the wheel isn't readily accessible from the chair unless one steers with their feet.

I'd expect when things are serious, the helmsman position is standing*directly behind the wheel.* So, when would the chair be used?* While under autopilot?* While steering with feet in "at ease" mode?

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Old 10-15-2010, 10:51 PM   #2
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

There are many trawlers that have a awkward steering station. Given the above picture, it looks like a seated helmsman could probably make minor heading adjustments with a hand on the top of the wheel. A helmsman required to use the wheel for close quarters maneuvering, would need to stand and have sufficient room so as to make quick/full turns with the wheel.

It may be that the primary use of the seat is for observation/lookout. If equiped with autopilot, this would make sense. A jog control could also be used for maneuvering, if equipped.
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

I have seen seats and chairs installed where there is not enough room . If there is a pilot bench/berth and and autopilot, steering while in open water can be done from the bench with a remote. In close quarters and smaller pilothouse, the absence of a chair makes room for standing at the helm and moving easily to the side to see how close you really are to the dock.

Our A/P is not coupled to the plotter. I could let George do it but requiring attention to heading on a regular basis keeps me looking at the course and outside.
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Old 10-16-2010, 09:16 AM   #4
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

The helm is down low so the top of the wheel is used most of the time as our trawler tracks straight and/or the auto pilot makes the corrections.* When the auto pilot is on I used the soft pad rather than the helm so very seldom once out do I touch the helm/wheel for long periods of time. *Our auto pilot has a 25 ft cord remote so I do not have to be in the pilot house.* On warm sunny days I sit on the bench behind the Portuguese bridge.*


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Many of the bigger new boats the helm/wheel is really a joystick that activates the hydraulic pump, which is what I use the auto pilot for.* The only time I use the helm is close maneuvering as it moves the rudder faster than the auto pilot.* ******
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

You will spend more time squeezing past (and cursing) a closely fitted chair to go in and out of the door, than you will sitting in it to steer the boat, regardless of A/P or other steering considerations. That is why it needs adequate room. If you don't have a Starboard door, or if your house is wide enough to put the helm amidships, you avoid this problem.
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Old 10-16-2010, 10:40 AM   #6
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

Another consideration is seat height. On our boat the fixed seat is too high, so any time spent at it (I do most of my helming from the upper station which isn't a problem) results in a sore back from hunching down to get a proper view out. *Lowering our seat is on the list.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:05 PM   #7
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

Regarding my helm Mark,It's not perfect but quite good now. Could be a bit higher (note cushions in photo). The 1st photo is before the helm chair. That thing's in our house now. Pull up on a lever and the helm chair slides fore and aft. When it's fwd my knees are max fwd but comfortable. When it's aft there is plenty of room standing for serious boat handling. I need struts so as to make it stiffer vertically. That's OK for now though. My biggest problem is the foot rest.
Toooo far aft and at the wrong angle. On long runs I use my tool box (that I always take on long runs) but need to tie in place for rough going. Helm to hand/arm/shoulder relationship is fine. Most all the time my hand is not on the helm (touching). I make corrections. But most of the time I sit and do other things w my hands. And I don't have autopilot. Would like it but don't need it. I make a game of making the best corrections, those that maximize the time before the next correction. And of course when I make a good correction I can get up and walk around a bit (even go fwd). The big thing about helms is the distance fore and aft, the height and the foot position. Foot position is very important.
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

I steer from the FB 90 % of the time, I installed a pedestal mounted swivelling chair at the lower helm when I am not using it to steer it is low and faces the setee for casual seating with one's feet on the floor. When I use it to steer I add a heavy duty extension tube about 20 " which I made and it is at the right height to sit on to steer the wheel and there is a foot rest on the bulkhead below the wheel at a comfortable level. If I want to steer standing I simply slide the seat back on its slider and can stand and steer comfortably, or lean against the seat. This is simply a plastic pedestal mounted seat with swivel and slider, as used on the FB of some trawlers or in fishing boats, not real fancy but suits my purpose fine.
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

Although not captured in this photo of the helm, the Coot's helmsman seat is a fixed bench.* There are pilothouse doors both port and starboard, and from drawings it appears the front edge of the seat is about two-thirds of the width of the door from the wheel.* The seat on the port/passenger side is set further aft so the portside door is fully clear of obstruction.


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Ergonomics! Nice comfortable REAL helm chair, Radios in/on overhead, Visual displays down below
line of sight out windows. 6 hours on and 6 hours off for 28 days at a time gives Very opinionated wheelhouse setup!
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Sailor of Fortune,What do you like about overhead stuff? I don't care for it as you can see from my pictures. Too far of a reach. Too hard to shade ones eyes when looking up. Harder to see. I think they do it in airplanes because they run out of space. Perhaps on a more complex boat than mine (I'm basically out of space) one would have no other choice * *... ther'es only so much space.
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I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKE that helm. Are you going to have one like THAT. I'll be jealous. Probably cost $500. My helm's fine but I'm going to shop anyway.


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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

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Mark,
I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKE that helm. Are you going to have one like THAT. I'll be jealous. Probably cost $500. My helm's fine but I'm going to shop anyway.
Eric, *I'm not expecting more than an all-SS wheel, but the one*pictured with a*wooden rim sure looks nice.

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6 hours on and 6 hours off for 28 days at a time
How do you guys get away with* 6 and 6 on that boat?
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6 on and 6 off when local or coastal. 4 on and 8 off on trips of 600 miles or more (additional
wheelhouse license needed.) Normal operations are capt,mate 2 engineers, 2 deck AB's.

Eric Only the radios and the AIS in the overhead. We use 3 VHF's constantly-all stay on the same channel most of the time so easy sitdown access is not needed. The microphones hang at helm
chair reach fron hooks. AIS is not constantly needed so it is overhead also.
The radar and computer screen (main radar) is down below line of sight, radar and gyro repeater are on right side and nobeltec/ computer on left. infront is auto pilot, gyro repeater jog lever and
clutch/throttle controls. Behind is chart table with SSB, Sat phones 2, computer etc. Backup radar
is to right (above main radar- a head basher!
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nomadwilly wrote:

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Mark,
I REALLY REALLY REALLY LIKE that helm. Are you going to have one like THAT. I'll be jealous. Probably cost $500. My helm's fine but I'm going to shop anyway.
Eric, *I'm not expecting more than an all-SS wheel, but the one*pictured with a*wooden rim sure looks nice.

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Gee, Eric, you must have had*at least*two different wheels for Willy already.* Still searching for the perfect one?

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A full keel tracks pretty straight, Even without autopilot.
*If you spend a lot of time at the Helm on a slow boat. I think you would find yourself up and down quit a bit of the time. If there is any weather at all*youneed to be standing or the very least leaning on the bolster. You need to use your legs to move with the boat and the sea.
A big comfortable Capt's chair is nice for long runs on flat water. How often do you get that?
**I would definitely consider a*seat positioned to allow for a place to lean on and stand comfortably. Many Capt's chairs have a flip down bolster in the front to allow for a comfortable leaning position.

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Hey Skip,

What's a bolster?


Wish I could click on that new avitar and make it bigger. Bigger is the American way.


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You will spend more time squeezing past (and cursing) a closely fitted chair to go in and out of the door, than you will sitting in it to steer the boat, regardless of A/P or other steering considerations. That is why it needs adequate room. If you don't have a Starboard door, or if your house is wide enough to put the helm amidships, you avoid this problem.
Seems to me a door accessing the boat's exterior*immediately adjacent to the helm is an advantage in that one can,*while stepping out onto the deck and*still accessing the helm,*more*readily*communicate visually and verbally to the immediate-outside world.
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RE: Helmsman's physical position on trawlers

Most trawlers seem to have lower helm stations on the starboard side,is there any obvious reason for this?
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