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Old 12-26-2010, 01:57 PM   #41
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They're really crappy at grilling steaks properly.* If that's something you expect from your anchor, don't buy a Rocna.

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Old 01-03-2011, 02:48 PM   #42
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This is a progress report on the design of Carquinez Coot's helmsman's position.* Front-left will be the "function panel" controlling bilge pumps, wipers, and windlass.
Front-center is the "engine start panel"*which includes*the engine monitoring gauges and warning lights.* Front-right will be the gear shift, throttle, and thruster control.

The top panel includes the whistle control, auto-pilot control, rudder indicator, searchlight contol, Floscan meter, fuel-tank gauge, and radar/plotter screen.* I want to change this panel by moving the radar/plotter from the right side to the left side, moving the tank and fuel gauges to the right side, and exchange positions of searchlight control and auto-pilot.* This will give better access for a second crewman for monitoring the boat's position relative to the rest of the world.

Any last-minute suggestions/comments?* Thanks.*








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Found this layout of my 34' Pilot.* No instruments were overhead.

Auto pilot with rudder indicator and tridata upper center.
Chart Plotter/fish finder and radar flanking
Spot light remote control left
bow thruster control left
anchor windless control left
trim tab controls right
engine alarms &warning lights center
Compass center
Horn button center
VHF down and left with remote speaker
Engine gauges down, but well visible
Switches under
Single lever engine control right




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RE: Helmsman's layout

Mark,
I love that part about "Perla this* ..Perla that"
Moon,
That helm station is beautiful****** ....but but where do you put your feet when you sit down** ..can you sit down? Interesting very low positioned throttle/gear control.
Mark,
How do you send drawings. Copy on your printer, put in computer and send?
I wonder why you have a Floscan. You're going to burn what you're going to burn.
Faster-burn more. Slower-burn less. Are you planing a run to Hawaii?
You're picture stays the same is the boat progressing?
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Moon,
That helm station is beautiful****** ....but but where do you put your feet when you sit down** ..can you sit down? Interesting very low positioned throttle/gear control.
Eric,* Yes you can sit.* The helm seat is raised for good sight line.* There is a fold down foot rest that works while sitting.* I like to stand allot, so i had a cushion floor at the helm and nav station.* the cushioned seats were great to lean against.* the combination throttle/ gear lever fell easily at hand.* It took a little time to layout all this in a small area.* I ordered the equipment and hired a marine electrician to help me with the install.* I also installed heat and a/c on the helm deck.* It was a great boat to run* When in open water on auto pilot, I usually ran barfooted leaned back in the seat with the arches of my feet on the curvature of the dash.* Very confortable.

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Old 01-03-2011, 03:54 PM   #46
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How do you send drawings. Copy on your printer, put in computer and send?
I wonder why you have a Floscan. You're going to burn what you're going to burn.
Faster-burn more. Slower-burn less. Are you planing a run to Hawaii?
You're picture stays the same is the boat progressing?
Eric, Perla and I still (after 8+ years) joke about it.

The builder emailed jpg files as attachments.* I opened the files then downloaded them to my computer.* With Shutterfly, I copied the files into my Shutterfly account.* At Shutterfly, I opened the file containing the photos, double-clicked on the*photos to enlarge, then copied*photo and then pasted into the Trawler Forum posting I was creating.* Whew!

Coot #6*is progressing.* I've gotten two progress reports (with photos)*so far, about every two months, last one a month ago.* No completion date given yet, but the purchaser of Coot #5, which is a bit ahead, has an estimated completion of March 2011.

The Floscan?* That's*mostly boyish curiosity seeking immediate feedback.

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Old 01-03-2011, 03:56 PM   #47
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Looking very nice Mark! The only suggestion I would have is to place the fuel & water gauges somewhere else but nearby to leave room for ongoing nav/com additions & upgrades in years to come. The fuel & water gauges don't *require the same immediate monitoring or manipulation as most nav/com electronics.
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Mark:

I like it except the location of the Tank Tender. I agree with a previous comment about keeping the fuel and water gages off the main panel. I disagree with Eric's comment about the FloScan. After you use it for awhile you'll wonder why more people without electronic engines don't have FloScan. Don't forget to leave room for the FloScan reset switch.



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RE: Helmsman's layout

As with Mark we are having the fun of designing the layout as part of the build. My wife initially did a cut and paste mockup that we were then able to trial on our last visit to the boat yard. Nothing like in situ to get an idea of how it will work.
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I like it except the location of the Tank Tender. I agree with a previous comment about keeping the fuel and water gages off the main panel. I disagree with Eric's comment about the FloScan. After you use it for awhile you'll wonder why more people without electronic engines don't have FloScan. Don't forget to leave room for the FloScan reset switch.



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Seahorse and Mark,

I have never had a Floscan.* Is it something that requires enough attention to place in a prominant place by the nav instruments?* Just curious in case I lay out another helm.* Is it connected to other instruments to compute speed and mpg or just gal/hr?* Showing my ignorance here.

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Nav,I like what I can see of your boat a lot except it's too big. I was at one time, before I bought my Willard going to buy a 35 to 38' sailboat and cut off 2/3rds of the keel. Remove all the sail rigging deck and house and build a trawler in the cavity within. A raised pilothouse was in mind w a lot of engine room room. The huge percentage of trawlers w semi-planing hulls drove me to such wild ideas. Prolly would have been easier to have a hull made. A sailboat w a swing keel had a lot of promise though.Perhaps we could see the stern of your new boat. The stern is what usually makes the boat what it is.
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Moonstruck, check out http://www.floscan.com/html/blue/dieselmodels.php
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Thanks, Conrad and Seahorse.* I've asked the builder to move the fuel/water gauge away from the panel*and mentioned the need to accommodate the Floscan's reset switch.* I've suggested the gauge be relocated in the gangway to the forward cabin, facing the helmsman.

Don't know what I'd do without you guys.
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I like what I can see of your boat a lot except it's too big. I was at one time, before I bought my Willard going to buy a 35 to 38' sailboat and cut off 2/3rds of the keel. Remove all the sail rigging deck and house and build a trawler in the cavity within. A raised pilothouse was in mind w a lot of engine room room. The huge percentage of trawlers w semi-planing hulls drove me to such wild ideas. Prolly would have been easier to have a hull made. A sailboat w a swing keel had a lot of promise though.Perhaps we could see the stern of your new boat. The stern is what usually makes the boat what it is.
Hi Eric,

I think Seahorse Marine had the same idea. Our hull is identical to the one they use on the Mandarin motor sailor. But while it has the traditional full length keel the stern is following the more modern yacht design ie wide and flatter.* Attached are a couple of pictures of the Mandarin.* Photos of our stern which is the same*are on our web site under the construction photos page.

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Mark,
Am I* hear'in you saying the Floscan switch is more important that coolant temp???

Seems nuts to me. Sorry.
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In the front/center is the engine start panel which includes a water temperature gauge.





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Moonstruck wrote:I have never had a Floscan.* Is it something that requires enough attention to place in a prominant place by the nav instruments?.... * Is it connected to other instruments to compute speed and mpg or just gal/hr?*
Don:* Not only will it show you mpg & gal/hr, if you get the digital model, it will serve as your tachometer, fuel left in the tank, and since it hooks up with your GPS, it will show distance to empty at any speed you choose.** Does that sound like something you would like to include in your scan? To answer your question...I have mine where it's easy to read.



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Don:* Not only will it show you mpg & gal/hr, if you get the digital model, it will serve as your tachometer, fuel left in the tank, and since it hooks up with your GPS, it will show distance to empty at any speed you choose.** Does that sound like something you would like to include in your scan? To answer your question...I have mine where it's easy to read.*
I looked at the site for the Floscan that Mark sent.* With those features, it certainly looks useful.* I usually set the boat speed and trim where she is running easy and at a good attitude.* When running inlets, I set the stern about at deep as I can get it.* I just wonder how it would change how I operate the boat.

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the other this that is very important to remember it to turn on any LCD display and check the viewing angle prior to cutting the hole for mounting... sometimes the view isn't right at the angle you think.... power it up to confirm you will see the data* clearly from the helm position...
Beautiful boat buy the way! have fun with the build!
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Finalized*vertical panel.




And here's the tank gauges.






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