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Old 12-19-2010, 11:51 PM   #21
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Thruster control, anchor winch, wheel, throttle and joystick steering on left arm of helm chair (leaving right hand to work*throttle/gear lever)*all work well. Radios overhead also works well as they use less valuable real estate.

Pic doesn't show very well, but colour sounder and radar are mounted in console to stbd and angled to line of sight.
That's the way it is, but do you like it that way?* What would you want different?

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:45 AM   #22
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Airbus completely prohibits a pilot form going past 60 degrees of pitch or bank...Period.
Not actually true.* In the "normal" modes of operation this is true.* However you can pull a bunch of breakers and stuff and put an Airbus in a purely "manual" mode and do whatever you want with it.* However I've been told by friend who work at Airbus that getting into this mode requires some time and is not something that can be done as an immediate reaction to an immediate situation, like a microburst off the end of the runway or whatever.

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Old 12-20-2010, 10:53 AM   #23
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I like moonstruck's stuff. Don't like Marin's up in the clouds GPS at all. If I buy a boat like that it's going to get moved pronto * *..unless it's radar.
Eric---- The overhead unit IS a radar.* It's the Furuno that replaced the old Raytheon.* However it is a NavNet unit so is also a GPS plotter.* In the photo I happened to have it set on the full-screen plotter display.* But in fact we rarely run it this way unless we want it's superior plotter display on full-screen in a narrow or tricky waterway for detail.* Normally it's set on full-screen radar or split screen radar and steering information.

Besides the ease of installation and getting a fairly large unit completely out of the way when we don't need it, an advantage of the overhead mount for the radar (assuming it has a daylight display which just about all of them do now) is that when we're running in fog or restricted visiblity, it's easy to see the radar display from anywhere in the main cabin.* So whoever is not steering the boat can easily monitor the radar from beside the helmsman, behind the helmsman, anywhere in the cabin, as its display cannot be blocked by the helmsman.* This is not true of the panel-mounted GPS plotter on the lower panel.

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RE: Helmsman's layout

Mark,
Since I redesigned the layout 6 years ago, I like it the way it is except for the position of the sounder (in the console).

If I was to rebuild the whole thing, I would position the sounder to the left and angle it*in to the helm position. This would prevent the sun from reaching the screen.*A big job*of work as the engine instruments would need to be*repositioned and the console is heavy grade Al alloy welded to the wheelhouse.

Having the throttle/gear lever on the opposite side from the steering toggle and thruster control has proved very successful. Originally, the boat didn't have either of these.
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RE: Helmsman's layout

Here is the layout for my 54' Davis Pilothouse helm.* I like the electronic controls vice the cables and use a laptop chartplotter as well as a Garmin.
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Just ran across this picture that I think relates the point of having your chart and radar just below your sight line.* This was taken of the Sunshine Skyway Bridge over Tampa Bay.* It shows the real world outside the window and the electronic world just below.* This was taken well below my sight line outside just the show the relationship.* Note SOG about 25.5 knots.* Depth reads at the bottom of the screen.* The electronic compass is set to read magnetic so as to relate to the magnetic compass above.* There is a deviation table kept to the left of the helm.
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This may be not everyones cup of tea but it works for me.
Radar, Sounder/fish finder, HF radio and 2 x VHF on the up side from deck head.
Eng controls, compass on dash, to stbd under the blue towel is the Chart Plotter/computer.
The printer is no longer on the dash as it is now located in the new fwd cabin office.
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Works for me, Don.
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This may be not everyones cup of tea but it works for me.
Radar, Sounder/fish finder, HF radio and 2 x VHF on the up side from deck head.
Eng controls, compass on dash, to stbd under the blue towel is the Chart Plotter/computer.
The printer is no longer on the dash as it is now located in the new fwd cabin office.
Is your cruising style a lot of offshore passages?* On the East Coast of the US we have alot of confined cruising areas.* When the weather cooperates I will run offshore, but try to be back in by 160-240 miles.* That is our comfort range for a passage.* My fishing boat has the electronics mounted overhead.* For that purpose they work fine.* Cruising our ICW is a different story.

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Don,
Your right most of my cruising and fishing is off shore.
When I am behind Fraser or Moerton Islands is the only time I am not out in the Ogan.
A lot of it is coastal only about 10 to 20 mile of the coast but so are the merch ships , you got to mix it with them.

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Here's the most important element of my helm***** visibility ahead. No bow rails, fenders, anchors, or other clutter do obstruct the view. This shot was from the center of the center (of three) fwd windows and the stbd view is 99% as good. In that way the Willard is perfect. The cable "railing" keeps us aboard except on the very bow and so far I haver't fallen off. The trade off is great visibility fwd and I love it. The Nordic Tug is good in this way and the bow rail would be easily cut down to half the height. Anyway, visibility is by far the most important part of the layout for me.
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That's hard to disagree with, Eric.* Yet I want a solid handhold up in the bow for deploying the "iron"*anchor, the*parachute "anchor", and such when waves are crashing and the boat is bucking.* But then the seas are always calm in the inland passages of southeast Alaska, right?*




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nomadwilly wrote:Anyway, visibility is by far the most important part of the layout for me.
Right you are, Eric.* You have to look out the window.* After crossing over the Gulf of Mexico, I was crewing on a boat delivery.* The capt. was on the flybridge with unrestricted visiblilty.* We had just entered a dredged channel heading for Applichicola.* I had to tell him to take his eyes off the chart plotter before we centered a fixed daymark!* He was an instrument rated pilot that trusted instruments.

Mark also makes a great point.* A railing on a bow pulpit makes anchor handling alot safer.**My boat has a toe rail with no bulworks.* That is something*I miss about my trawler.* When you have only a toe rail and a bow rail, something for hand holds is needed.**As you could see my*boat also has a midrail for security.

I*use the bow stanchions*for taking quick, simple bearings on other boats.* Constant bearing-----danger of collision. Passing ahead of stanchion means I will pass behind the approaching vessel.* Passing behind means I will*cross ahead of the vessel.* I also have a hand bearing compass at the helm, but this system works most of the time.**

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Here's the most important element of my helm***** visibility ahead. No bow rails, fenders, anchors, or other clutter do obstruct the view. This shot was from the center of the center (of three) fwd windows and the stbd view is 99% as good. In that way the Willard is perfect. The cable "railing" keeps us aboard except on the very bow and so far I haver't fallen off. The trade off is great visibility fwd and I love it. The Nordic Tug is good in this way and the bow rail would be easily cut down to half the height. Anyway, visibility is by far the most important part of the layout for me.
Eric, Eric, where do you put your bow pennant?

Because of our speed, if we ran with a bow pennant, it would be in shreads in a*matter of hours.* By stepping to the left side of the helm, I can use the bow pennant staff*as sort of a gun sight.* I use it to line up on objects I want to run to, and*then I*set the*autopilot.

On the East coast in the ICW miles are statute and course lines are magnetic.* That is another reason for setting the chart plotter to read in magnetic.

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By stepping to the left side of the helm, I can use the bow pennant staff*as sort of a gun sight.* I use it to line up on objects I want to run to, and*then I*set the*autopilot.
Wow! Talk about "Great Minds Agreeing".* I use my bow rails (specifically the rail**
around the pulpit) for the same purpose. (Not to mention the security it provides*
when going forward.)


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Wow! Talk about "Great Minds Agreeing".* I use my bow rails (specifically the rail**
around the pulpit) for the same purpose. (Not to mention the security it provides*
when going forward.)

If you have seen the big Palm Beach style sportfishing boats on the East coast, you will have seen that they are sans bow rails.* Asthetics are the only reason for this.* Most do not have forward windows in the deck house.* The flybridge is the only helm station.* The helmsman is far above the bow.* The forward deck usually has allot of camber to*shed water (it can shed people,too).* There is only a small toe rail between any person on the bow and the water.* It doesn't look safe to me.* Even Hattera is doing this if you have seen their ads.

I will admit that they are georgeous boats.* Built for punching through head seas at speed with copious amounts of power and speed.* Low free board in the stern for fishing.* It is thrilling to see those big guys running through almost any conditions.* Their captains are usually expert boat handlers.***A lot of ego on the line, but beautiful to watch.------------bui I digress-----------

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With regards to "aiming" one's boat using some reference hardware on the bow, I have never found any reason to do this but if one likes having somehting up there for this purpose, it's yet one more advantage of having a Rocna
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With regards to "aiming" one's boat using some reference hardware on the bow, I have never found any reason to do this but if one likes having somehting up there for this purpose, it's yet one more advantage of having a Rocna
Oh, the Rocna!* Is there anything they can't do?

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Rocna this, Rocna that ....*


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