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Old 05-12-2015, 09:44 PM   #41
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Before someone says we're swimming in municipal sewage, one huge difference. Municipal systems are checked daily. There is no practical way for anyone to monitor the operation of your boat system, even if its the fanciest, most expensive chemical or biological system available. I believe the system on our boat does very well, but I do think it's reasonable to use it away from harbors and marinas. Pump outs are more and more available and we regularly run offshore. So, it's just not an issue.

Now, as to locking or twisting the valve or any of the other preventive measures, they're not going to stop those trying to circumvent things, but they will prevent us all from mistakenly dumping something we shouldn't where we shouldn't.
Locks are simply to help honest people remain as honest people... including locks that are self applied as reminders. Cheats or crooks never let a lock deter them, too much!
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Old 05-13-2015, 06:38 AM   #42
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The Electrasan Poop Box chops up the waste into very fine pieces ,

then zaps 50A of DC electric in the claim that chlorine is produced from salt water that will kill pathogens before discharge..
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And it does it several times for most of each flush ... by design....

Each flush is not individually treated...they mix and get pushed along a little farther with following flushes....yet each flushing, sanitation is applied as FF pointed out.
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Old 05-13-2015, 08:52 AM   #44
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Confused.....FF you once told me that using bleach (chlorine) in a holding tank to kill the cooties then plump out was just adding poison to the mess yet isn't that what an Electroscan does?
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Old 05-13-2015, 09:19 AM   #45
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"yet isn't that what an Electroscan does?"

Yup, but they chop it up really fine and stew it for a bit .

Someone made a discharge rule , and they figured out how to meet the rule.

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Old 05-13-2015, 09:42 AM   #46
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Then sewage (sorry - zapped and cleansed sewage) discharge from an ElectroSan is potable / drinkable / consumable / swim-in-able?? I've got a bridge for sale...!!!
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It's all about disease - coliform bacteria. Reduce the concentration of coliform below a certain level and chop it into small enough pieces and you're allowed to pump it overboard. You can't pump it overboard in fresh water areas or designated No Discharge Zones (the link that was posted earlier.) All of the San Francisco Bay Area is legal to discharge this purified poop, except Richardson Bay, next to Sausalito. The California Delta is fresh water and so is off limits too.

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4th O' July cleansed PoopSickles for sale at marine ElectroSan location near you! Be there or be square!!

No holding tank boats allowed...

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Actually perception over disease as someone has pointed out....too often.

Complying boaters are penalized in places where beaches are routinely shut down for high coliform counts....not attributable to the boaters.

While some enjoy antiques that help destroy the environment talk down to EPA certified devices....I can only say...swim a mile in my flippers before ye judge so harshly.
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I don't think anyone has suggested that a LectroSan produces drinkable water. The amount of fecal matter introduced into the water by a LectroSan is infinitesimal as compared to what gets flushed into the water by your average rainstorm or a flock of geese, not to mention the boat owners with "locked" holding tanks.
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I don't think anyone has suggested that a LectroSan produces drinkable water. The amount of fecal matter introduced into the water by a LectroSan is infinitesimal as compared to what gets flushed into the water by your average rainstorm or a flock of geese, not to mention the boat owners with "locked" holding tanks.
You can tell many of the NDZs are emotional/political versus scientific.
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You can tell many of the NDZs are emotional/political versus scientific.
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Greetings,
Ain't that the truth about a lot of laws?
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It's all about disease - coliform bacteria. Reduce the concentration of coliform below a certain level and chop it into small enough pieces and you're allowed to pump it overboard. You can't pump it overboard in fresh water areas or designated No Discharge Zones (the link that was posted earlier.) All of the San Francisco Bay Area is legal to discharge this purified poop, except Richardson Bay, next to Sausalito. The California Delta is fresh water and so is off limits too.

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Old 05-13-2015, 01:30 PM   #56
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No big turds allowed, only small ones!
Please clarify size allotment/quotient!

Second thought - naw, never mind... Then we'll get into specific gravity, solids %age, moisture content - and all that shit!
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You can tell many of the NDZs are emotional/political versus scientific.
I agree. There is a proposal here in Maryland to turn the entire Chester River into a no discharge zone. Nothing but a "feel good" proposal that has a ready made target: "Rich" boat owners.

The Chester River Association, which is pushing the proposed no discharge zone, cannot even quantify what improvement, if any, will result. They also make no attempt to estimate the cost to modify the few boats home based on the Chester river that have Type I or II MSDs. Needless to say, there is nothing in the proposal to help owners pay to modify their boats.
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What cracks me up is ....

The USCG with oversight has approved a device to discharge.

There are obvious places that discharge of every vessel or at least a substantial number on any given day MAY overwhelm the environment to sanitize itself.

But for places where the boat density or water turnover is great. I agree with the USCG.

So people who go through the trouble and expense of installing these devices are now regularly under attack to virtually eliminate them without any science behind it .....only paranoia about germs or distasteful waters that often contain far worse for the human body.

Eliminate the use of waste devices without the convenience and reasonable cost of pumpouts...and you might actually make the water worse as some may rebel at the whole issue of compliance.

For those of you that weekend in areas with many and cheap pumpouts...great....some areas you are hard pressed to find one working, open or of reasonable cost.
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I bet the discharge of the sanitation devices are cleaner than what most cities dump into the same area we cruise in!! I know Portland, Seattle and other dump raw sewage into the bays when we get a lot of rain. So I think the EPA and others should get off boaters backs and start working the real problem. Once that is done then come back to the boating community and work that side in a cooperative way instead of "command and control" mentality.
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Old 05-13-2015, 02:05 PM   #60
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No more pooping aboard boat - USCG is handing out free butt plugs if interested! No... not those type of BPs... but rather the ones that screw in with automatic lock that only releases while on terra firma.


These BP's were designed by same engineering idiots who designed spill proof caps and pour spouts on portable gas cans... you know - the ones that leak and seldom seat correctly when closed. If the locking, mandated BP's are as faulty in design just be sure to bring extra under pants and scented Lysol... ugly, smelly, maybe even ignitable seepage will probably occur!

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