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02-13-2019, 11:11 AM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
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Originally Posted by caltexflanc
The 53 usually came with 8v71s though IIRC some later versions had 6v92's. They're more costly because they are designed to get the boat up on plane and cruise in the teens. Not so costly if you run hull speed or less, which is what I'd say the majority of owners do.
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Both of those engines will cost significantly more than 4-53’s to take care of. Probably two to three times as much oil and coolant to be replaced on a regular basis, turbos which will require rebuilding periodically, etc.
Just remember that on a yearly basis, fuel is not your biggest bill. If you actually use your boat....... we live aboard with no discounted yearly rate at a marina since we travel and dockage is more per year than fuel. As they say though: your mileage may vary.
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02-13-2019, 11:56 AM
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City: SEWARD ALASKA
Vessel Name: DOS PECES
Vessel Model: BAYLINER 4788
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 6,266
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Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyWright
Steve sold that Hatt 48 LRC last year. I was operating in the SF Bay when the new owner was moving west in the Bay toward Sausalito to stage for a weather window to go out the Golden Gate. I saw him on the AIS and hailed him. We had a brief radio exchange and he was so excited to have that boat.
Sadly, due to personal circumstances, cruising that LRC far and wide was a dashed dream for Steve. Aside from the trip down the coast after purchase, she remained in the Bay and Delta where he and his family thoroughly enjoyed it.
It was great to see the dream fulfillment for the new owner begin.
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Yes when he put it up for sale at what $169 I called him and really thought hard about buying it. They are great boats, and yes I felt for him and his dreams.
Problem is switching boats is a royal PITA and always very expensive. Sometimes it’s just easier to keep what you have. The 4788 while a very good boat will never be in the long range category as the old LRC’s. Those were passagemakers before passagemaking was popular with the motor cruising crowd, and represent a great way to get into the game at a very reasonable cost.
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02-14-2019, 07:34 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Paris,TN
Vessel Name: Slo-Poke
Vessel Model: Jorgensen custom 44
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This one came in yesterday. I think it’s a 53 motor yacht?
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02-14-2019, 08:33 AM
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Guru
City: Sea of Cortez, Mexico
Vessel Name: Irene
Vessel Model: Nordhavn 40II
Join Date: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,235
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Yes, an earlier one.
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02-14-2019, 01:55 PM
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City: baltimore
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 14
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Yep !
That is a 53' Hatteras.
Guess the 48' L.R.C. would be better for us if we sell out 44' Nauticat.
People don't seem to want the 58' cause there are always so many for sale.
Having owned a 53', it sure was a nice boat.
But all the work on the engines was a real killer.
That's why we thought about the 58.
Think the 48 would be fine.
Just can't seem to find any around this area (Maryland) to inspect.
And of course all the Nordhvan 46' are way too expensive.
Don't think they are any better either.
Back to you my fellow shipmates for more thoughts and advice.
Michael
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02-14-2019, 03:31 PM
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City: North Carolina for now
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People don't seem to want the 58' cause there are always so many for sale.
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That certainly has not been the case over the past 12 years or so that I have followed the market.
Woodland Hills makes some great points in Post #20, which parallel our buying experience (though there were some very nice condition 58's and two 65's on the market at premium prices. That premium for the LRC's eats up a lot of the costs he outlines in post #21 , and that aside if those differentials make that big difference to you, you are in the wrong hobby to begin with. Like him, we didn't cotton much to the 58LRC's layout compared to the motoryachts of similar size, for our specific purposes at least.
One thing you will note about the vintage Hatts is the commonality of so many components across all the different models. One reason why replacement parts are still pretty easy to get, thanks to the greatness of Sam's Marine.
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02-14-2019, 04:08 PM
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Senior Member
City: Marathon, FL & On Loop
Vessel Name: Maka Honu
Vessel Model: Ta Yang, 42 Tayana PH Trawler 1976
Join Date: Mar 2014
Posts: 313
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Hatteras quality build especially in 70s. Solid. Suggest be sure 2 accurate depth Gs are working as your running gear will bottom. Good luck!
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02-14-2019, 04:15 PM
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#28
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City: North Carolina for now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bgillroy
Hatteras quality build especially in 70s. Solid. Suggest be sure 2 accurate depth Gs are working as your running gear will bottom. Good luck!
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Not as frequently as you may think; they have keels that extend below the props. I sanded the bottom 6" of my keel while underway once (as pointed out by a diver we had doing a cleaning and zinc servicing), with no adverse effect on the props or rudders. I did like having a depth sounder on each side of the keel though.
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02-15-2019, 07:30 AM
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Guru
City: Annapolis
Vessel Name: Ranger
Vessel Model: 58' Sedan Bridge
Join Date: Aug 2013
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hatteras53
Having owned a 53', it sure was a nice boat.
But all the work on the engines was a real killer.
That's why we thought about the 58.
Think the 48 would be fine.
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Is there really any significant difference in working on 58/53/48 engines, whichever they are?
Are you talking about access issues on the 53? If so, wouldn't it maybe be worse on a 48?
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02-15-2019, 08:13 AM
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Guru
City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: Alzero
Vessel Model: Hatteras 63' CPMY
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,548
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The difference is that the LRCs have normally aspirated 4 or 6 cylinder engines and the motor yachts have turbo inter cooled 6 and 8 cylinder engines, usually in a Vee configuration. Even though they are all Detroit Diesels they are very different.
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02-15-2019, 09:59 AM
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City: baltimore
Join Date: Feb 2019
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The 48' engines would be the hardest to work on.
The 53' has the 871ti's which are easier to get to 3/4 times more expensive.
The 58' has the easiest by far to work on.
That's why I would consider the 58' BUT overall it is probably twice as expensive to own as the 48'
Everything is very tight on the 48'.
Having owned a 53' I was spoiled.
Our 44' Nauticat motor sailor is fine too.
Guess we will just stay with it since the 58' would PROBABLY just bury me with all it's costs.
Wish there was a reasonable priced 48' !
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02-15-2019, 10:23 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Paris,TN
Vessel Name: Slo-Poke
Vessel Model: Jorgensen custom 44
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 3,749
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What about the 48 LRC in South Carolina on YW?
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02-15-2019, 10:58 AM
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City: Seattle
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Airstream345
I've been in a 58 that had 24V, 32V and 48V and a 65 that had 12V and 32V. They had all of the volts
Don't know about the 48s but the 58/65 carry 2200/2700 gallons and run either 4-71s or 6-71s.
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I had 6 crazy voltages (12-24-32-48-120-240) in my 65' Burger with twin 6-71N's. Very weird. I always thought it would be nice to rip out the electrical system and do a complete rebuild.
Assuming the displacements are about the same, I think twin 4-71's would be ideal as the twin 6's were a bit overpowered for slow 8 knot cruising.
I recall Hatteras had those strange split engine rooms with the walk-through between the cabins. Do these 48/53 LRCs have one ER or the split ones?
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02-15-2019, 12:54 PM
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#34
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City: North Carolina for now
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They have single engine rooms. I absolutely loved the stand-up walk-in, split rooms on my 56MY. Having 18'2" beam didn't hurt either. The 53My is still pretty nice ERs even with 2 ft less beam.
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02-15-2019, 12:56 PM
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Member
City: baltimore
Join Date: Feb 2019
Posts: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pack Mule
What about the 48 LRC in South Carolina on YW?
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Thank you Marty for the response !
The 48' L.R.C. in South Carolina it not good.
It has no stabilizers, both generators are gone and/or junk, etc.
Someone else has previously comment here on it.
He said it was total false advertising in the listing/photos.
I don't think it would be a good buy unless at a much lower price.
Tried once to contact the broker and do that and he was very silent.
When a salesman is silent, I really begin to wonder.
Don't need another huge money pit.
We paid only 70 K for our 44' Nauticat but have put in another 80 K.
Don't think that any of these 48' can be reasonably bought.
The wife just worries that our 44' might be too much for me to handle.
Am 67 but in good health.
Having owned a 53' Hatteras, a 48' would not be hard to handle.
And of course the 46' Nordvan is way too much money.
Even the 42' Kadey Krogen is pricey.
Our 44' has had almost a complete refit.
Guess I will be just a gentleman sailor.
Sail once in a while and motor a lot.
We could sell our 44' for 150 K and end up with 130.
The 48' goes for the low 200's so that puts us cash short of 100 K.
It's only 100 K.................L.O.L. !!!!!!!!!!!!
Hey, I got a really good boat so why not be GRATEFUL.
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02-15-2019, 01:08 PM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Traveler
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 46 LRC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,576
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IIRC there was a fellow in Australia that had either a 60-some foot Cheoy Lee or Hatteras LRC and he made some great videos taking the boat a thousand miles or so into the South Pacific. And I *think* those videoes were posted on this forum. Anyone else remember that? (And what kind of boat it was?)
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02-15-2019, 03:07 PM
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City: baltimore
Join Date: Feb 2019
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moonfish
IIRC there was a fellow in Australia that had either a 60-some foot Cheoy Lee or Hatteras LRC and he made some great videos taking the boat a thousand miles or so into the South Pacific. And I *think* those videoes were posted on this forum. Anyone else remember that? (And what kind of boat it was?)
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Hey Moonfish,
I almost bought a 46' Cheoy Lee but it had a ton of problems. Love the 3 staterooms and stand up engine room. Another one was recently for sale but it too had many issues. No stabilizers either. Only 1 currently listed at 250 K. Way too high ! For me, it has a much better layout than the 48' Hatteras L.R.C.
Maybe one will come available someday that is in good shape at a fair price. I would be willing to buy it almost anywhere it is located. The 46' reminds me of a 58' in miniature. My 44' Nauticat is a pretty nice motor sailor too. Michael 410-913-2330
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02-15-2019, 04:18 PM
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Guru
City: Friday Harbor, WA USA
Vessel Name: FORTITUDE
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 54-8
Join Date: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,015
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Quote:
Originally Posted by makobuilders
I had 6 crazy voltages (12-24-32-48-120-240) in my 65' Burger with twin 6-71N's. Very weird. I always thought it would be nice to rip out the electrical system and do a complete rebuild.
Assuming the displacements are about the same, I think twin 4-71's would be ideal as the twin 6's were a bit overpowered for slow 8 knot cruising.
I recall Hatteras had those strange split engine rooms with the walk-through between the cabins. Do these 48/53 LRCs have one ER or the split ones?
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I agree, the 4-71s are ideal. Also well regarded and relatively inexpensively rebuildable.
The 58/65 LRCs have a single, mid ship, walk-in engine room accessible from a hallway off the aft master. You may be thinking of the 53/58+ CPMY with the center hallway below deck. Those have split ERs.
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02-15-2019, 10:29 PM
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#39
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Guru
City: Port Townsend, WA
Vessel Name: Traveler
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 46 LRC
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 1,576
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hatteras53
Hey Moonfish,
I almost bought a 46' Cheoy Lee but it had a ton of problems. Love the 3 staterooms and stand up engine room. Another one was recently for sale but it too had many issues. No stabilizers either. Only 1 currently listed at 250 K. Way too high ! For me, it has a much better layout than the 48' Hatteras L.R.C.
Maybe one will come available someday that is in good shape at a fair price. I would be willing to buy it almost anywhere it is located. The 46' reminds me of a 58' in miniature. My 44' Nauticat is a pretty nice motor sailor too. Michael 410-913-2330
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That's kind of a coincidence. It just so happens the Nauticat 44 is my favorite of the Nauticat line. I even like it more than the N52. In fact, if we ever go back to sail/motorsail, the N44 would be near the top of my list.
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02-16-2019, 05:47 AM
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#40
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Guru
City: Carefree, Arizona
Vessel Name: sunchaser V
Vessel Model: DeFever 48 (sold)
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 10,186
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Sadly Nauticat declared bankruptcy about 6 months ago. There is a very nice N42 for sale on my dock in Sidney BC. In true Finnish style it has an onboard sauna.
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